29 Sqn "Phantom" & 392nd ODRAP "Bear" over South Atlantic 1982
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29 Sqn "Phantom" & 392nd ODRAP "Bear" over South Atlantic 1982
Two sides of the story.
On July 11, 1982, Colonel Georgy Bul'bénkov (Soviet Navy, Naval Aviation) was ordered to fly his Tu-95 Bear "D" belonging to the 392 ODRAP from Angola to a certain point in the middle of the Atlantic, near Ascension Island.
His mission was to check any battle damage to carrier HMS Hermes, returning home from the South Atlantic War.
Detecting the carrier, and shortly before flying above it (Hermes was in close company of RFA Tidespring), his plane was intercepted by a FRG.2 "Phantom" of 29 Sqn RAF (XV 484), operating from RAF Wideawake (Sqn Ldr Morle at the controls)
Here are very rare pictures of this obscure fact of the Cold War.
Tu-95 crew took this picture.
HMS Broadsword crew took this one.
And here is two of the Phantoms at RAF Wideawake
Regards!
On July 11, 1982, Colonel Georgy Bul'bénkov (Soviet Navy, Naval Aviation) was ordered to fly his Tu-95 Bear "D" belonging to the 392 ODRAP from Angola to a certain point in the middle of the Atlantic, near Ascension Island.
His mission was to check any battle damage to carrier HMS Hermes, returning home from the South Atlantic War.
Detecting the carrier, and shortly before flying above it (Hermes was in close company of RFA Tidespring), his plane was intercepted by a FRG.2 "Phantom" of 29 Sqn RAF (XV 484), operating from RAF Wideawake (Sqn Ldr Morle at the controls)
Here are very rare pictures of this obscure fact of the Cold War.
Tu-95 crew took this picture.
HMS Broadsword crew took this one.
And here is two of the Phantoms at RAF Wideawake
Regards!
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Googling that Russian pilots name brings up a couple of interesting pages
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Interesting Russian anecdotes re the increased use of Bears during the war, how the Russians found some of the Belgrano dead, and the behaviour of the UK fleet towards the Russian spy ship.
If the translation is accurate, it indicates that the Bear teams jumped from flying 200 hours / year, to 100 hours in April alone
"the missions that lasted up to 15 hours without any alternate aerodromes, often having lost radio contact with their base, usually ending in a thousand feet or less near the vertical of the two British aircraft carriers"
Apparently there were six Bear missions to spy on the fleet
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Interesting Russian anecdotes re the increased use of Bears during the war, how the Russians found some of the Belgrano dead, and the behaviour of the UK fleet towards the Russian spy ship.
If the translation is accurate, it indicates that the Bear teams jumped from flying 200 hours / year, to 100 hours in April alone
"the missions that lasted up to 15 hours without any alternate aerodromes, often having lost radio contact with their base, usually ending in a thousand feet or less near the vertical of the two British aircraft carriers"
Apparently there were six Bear missions to spy on the fleet
Last edited by jamesdevice; 28th Sep 2011 at 19:34.
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I wrote the second piece.
A better translation is here: Soviets in Falklands / Malvinas
Regarding the first article, six missions are the number that a CIA declassified paper informed. I think the number is wrong, the "Bears" were there almosty three times a week.
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A better translation is here: Soviets in Falklands / Malvinas
Regarding the first article, six missions are the number that a CIA declassified paper informed. I think the number is wrong, the "Bears" were there almosty three times a week.
Regards!
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very intrigued by your suggestion that the Russians were prepared to sink a British submarine if it launched a nuclear attack on Argentina.
Is that just your speculation or do you have proof?
Is that just your speculation or do you have proof?
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I did not suggest that, I just pointed to a version told me by a credible person from former Soviet submarine circles.
In fact, I pointed that "the version seems ludicrous" Of course, the fact that Mr. Galtieri disclosed to Mr. Haig that he received such offer from the Soviets, and the disclosure of the "Legend" targeting system first real utilization adds a sense of reality of that history.
But just a sense, I still maintain that version is hard to believe.
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In fact, I pointed that "the version seems ludicrous" Of course, the fact that Mr. Galtieri disclosed to Mr. Haig that he received such offer from the Soviets, and the disclosure of the "Legend" targeting system first real utilization adds a sense of reality of that history.
But just a sense, I still maintain that version is hard to believe.
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Marcantilan, interesting reading, thanks.
Your second piece mentions the use of satellites by the Russians. I wondered if you were aware of the book 'GCHQ' by Richard J. Aldrich (2010) which mentions the secret deciphering of Russian satellite intelligence by the Norwegians during the conflict, which was then shared with the British, effectively giving us satellite coverage that we wouldn't otherwise have had?
Your second piece mentions the use of satellites by the Russians. I wondered if you were aware of the book 'GCHQ' by Richard J. Aldrich (2010) which mentions the secret deciphering of Russian satellite intelligence by the Norwegians during the conflict, which was then shared with the British, effectively giving us satellite coverage that we wouldn't otherwise have had?
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Hello Stu,
Yes, I learned about that capability from a Norwegian TV show ( Norsk lyttestasjon viktig brikke i Falklandskrigen - Brennpunkt - NRK , I use a translator...)
However, later I talked with former Soviet army personnel and with a former Polish navy officer and they told me that is unlikely, due to good ciphering and, most important, because all Soviet recon satellites had no radio links with earth stations to transmit gathered information.
Mr. Aldrich´s book gives more info about that?
Regards!
Yes, I learned about that capability from a Norwegian TV show ( Norsk lyttestasjon viktig brikke i Falklandskrigen - Brennpunkt - NRK , I use a translator...)
However, later I talked with former Soviet army personnel and with a former Polish navy officer and they told me that is unlikely, due to good ciphering and, most important, because all Soviet recon satellites had no radio links with earth stations to transmit gathered information.
Mr. Aldrich´s book gives more info about that?
Regards!
I enjoyed the bit in the translated account about the Chinooks trying "to damage the masts and aerials" of the surface ship with their downwash - suspect the auth sheet merely reflected 'ruthless wazzing' rather than any more serious intent.
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Well well, talk about a blast from the past. Thanks very much for the pictures, I have some of the ones we took of the Bears (there were 2 of them) but regret no means of uploading them onto Prune. The F4 crew was indeed Russ Morley & Nige Marks.
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Thud:
Look at the Chinook pilot offer at page 55 here: http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research...20Campaign.pdf
And "Vulcan 607" (Rowland White) mentions that the offer was accepted...
2 TWU: Could I contact you privately regarding the pics you have?
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Look at the Chinook pilot offer at page 55 here: http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research...20Campaign.pdf
And "Vulcan 607" (Rowland White) mentions that the offer was accepted...
2 TWU: Could I contact you privately regarding the pics you have?
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Marcantilan,
Apologies for the delay in replying. Thank-you very much for the link, which I had not seen before and thoroughly enjoyed reading; it looks as though a well-known character managed to get himself into the printed record.
Apologies for the delay in replying. Thank-you very much for the link, which I had not seen before and thoroughly enjoyed reading; it looks as though a well-known character managed to get himself into the printed record.
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Blimey,
that is indeed me in the back seat of the F4.
Have just dug several shots of the Bears (there were 2 of them) out of my Ascension Island album - I will scan them & post them here later.
We had early int that the Bear Ds had launched from Luanda & were heading towards the flotilla steaming North from the Falklands.
Russ Morley & myself had just been handed over the Q1 slot. The night Q1 team had been alerted a few hours earlier & were hoping to get scrambled before the handover!
Heading South East from Wideawake I got radar contact at long range at high altitude but descending towards the flotilla.
We completed our intercept & shadowed them down to low level from where the pictures above were taken.
We were also joined if my memory serves me right by a sea harrier launched from Hermes.
Have just checked my logbook, & see we completed a 1:30 hr sortie with no AAR before landing back at Wideawake.
Will get the pictures up here over the weekend.
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that is indeed me in the back seat of the F4.
Have just dug several shots of the Bears (there were 2 of them) out of my Ascension Island album - I will scan them & post them here later.
We had early int that the Bear Ds had launched from Luanda & were heading towards the flotilla steaming North from the Falklands.
Russ Morley & myself had just been handed over the Q1 slot. The night Q1 team had been alerted a few hours earlier & were hoping to get scrambled before the handover!
Heading South East from Wideawake I got radar contact at long range at high altitude but descending towards the flotilla.
We completed our intercept & shadowed them down to low level from where the pictures above were taken.
We were also joined if my memory serves me right by a sea harrier launched from Hermes.
Have just checked my logbook, & see we completed a 1:30 hr sortie with no AAR before landing back at Wideawake.
Will get the pictures up here over the weekend.
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I was the Q1 pilot who got woken up in the middle of the night and told to expect to be launched. Try getting to sleep after that! Then Morley and Marks breeze in after breakfast and off they go!! 
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Hello Stu,
Yes, I learned about that capability from a Norwegian TV show ( Norsk lyttestasjon viktig brikke i Falklandskrigen - Brennpunkt - NRK , I use a translator...)
However, later I talked with former Soviet army personnel and with a former Polish navy officer and they told me that is unlikely, due to good ciphering and, most important, because all Soviet recon satellites had no radio links with earth stations to transmit gathered information.
Mr. Aldrich´s book gives more info about that?
Regards!
Yes, I learned about that capability from a Norwegian TV show ( Norsk lyttestasjon viktig brikke i Falklandskrigen - Brennpunkt - NRK , I use a translator...)
However, later I talked with former Soviet army personnel and with a former Polish navy officer and they told me that is unlikely, due to good ciphering and, most important, because all Soviet recon satellites had no radio links with earth stations to transmit gathered information.
Mr. Aldrich´s book gives more info about that?
Regards!
