Rioting E Petition
What is it with some of you? First it was "the blacks" now it's the "unemployed." Put your prejudices to one side and realise that this is a hugely complex issue.
The first person up in front of Highbury magistrates for looting and affray this morning was a 31 year old school teacher.
The first person up in front of Highbury magistrates for looting and affray this morning was a 31 year old school teacher.
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What is it with some of you? First it was "the blacks" now it's the "unemployed." Put your prejudices to one side and realise that this is a hugely complex issue.
The first person up in front of Highbury magistrates for looting and affray this morning was a 31 year old school teacher
The first person up in front of Highbury magistrates for looting and affray this morning was a 31 year old school teacher
These animals trash their own back yard in some sort of protest that none of them can even articulate. Next, they'll be complaining that there are no facilities or business and work opportunities in their areas, without quite realising the irony of their words.
Sometimes, the actions of certain overseas law enforcers don't seem so bad.
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Sometimes, the actions of certain overseas law enforcers don't seem so bad.
http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...sing-gang.html
I'm sure there will be plenty of apologists and amateur social workers choking on their cous-cous at that, but frankly, I think that the silent majority would have preferred to have seen such active policing from day 1.
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Any persons convicted of criminal acts during the current London riots should have all financial benefits removed. No tax payer should have to contribute to those who have destroyed property, stolen from their community and shown a disregard for the country that provides for them.
1. If they are convicted they go to jail, where the taxpayer pays for them.
2. If you don't provide them with the basic means to survive then you FORCE them into a life of crime, with two possible consequences:
a. They keep going to jail and the taxpayer keeps paying for them.
b. In the course of carrying out their crimes (which we have forced them to carry out in order to survive) they cause injury to, or damage to the property of, an innocent citizen. During said event the citizen themselves may become a criminal in the eyes of the law through potentially excessive self defence.
The two are not mutually exclusive.b. In the course of carrying out their crimes (which we have forced them to carry out in order to survive) they cause injury to, or damage to the property of, an innocent citizen. During said event the citizen themselves may become a criminal in the eyes of the law through potentially excessive self defence.
Rioting is a symptom, not the problem.
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Rioting is a symptom, not the problem
I almost choked on my caviar today, when one of the news teams showed a clip of a looter being asked why he was acting in such a way. His response......
'I'm getting my taxes back'
What can you say to that?!
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Right, so we have established ALL the rioters are teenage unemployed black chavvy youths who are also employed thirty something white middle class teachers
Sorry, I just had to add that for any Daily Mail readers looking in.
One thing that has been a positive for me has been to see Muslim leaders interviewed on TV tonight. This IMHO has shown this group to be supportive of the UK, our citizens well being and our police, in a very grown up and rational way....Which is how just about all the Muslims I know think and feel.
It has been a real breath of fresh air to see Muslims (although I'm not sure why their view is seen as a separate entity by the reporters) shown as just ordinary citizens who want to do well in life and live peacefully
Sorry, I just had to add that for any Daily Mail readers looking in.
One thing that has been a positive for me has been to see Muslim leaders interviewed on TV tonight. This IMHO has shown this group to be supportive of the UK, our citizens well being and our police, in a very grown up and rational way....Which is how just about all the Muslims I know think and feel.
It has been a real breath of fresh air to see Muslims (although I'm not sure why their view is seen as a separate entity by the reporters) shown as just ordinary citizens who want to do well in life and live peacefully
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@ Pr00ne,
No Pr00ne, it really is simple: -
I have probably missed a few things. I have just thought of something; Pr00ne is telling us that all that has been in the news, on TV and that has been seen globally hasn't really happened. We are all imagining it.
Pr00ne. I will respond here about what we were discussing elsewhere. I can not understand how you believe that the criminals are not being given rights over those non criminals. I really don't know what world you live in. Obviously not the real world. I see it all around me. It makes the news and TV. What about "The Scheme"? What about all those who claims thousands in benefits illegally and get to pay back pay £0 per decade?
I actually think you write what you do to wind us up.
Put your prejudices to one side and realise that this is a hugely complex issue.
- Mugging - Crime
- Rioting - Crime
- Burning Buildings down - Crime
- Mugging people - Crime
- Killing people - Crime
- Throwing petrol bombs, rocks, stone setc. - Crime
- Threatening and bullying people - Crime
- GBH - Crime
- Stealing - Crime
I have probably missed a few things. I have just thought of something; Pr00ne is telling us that all that has been in the news, on TV and that has been seen globally hasn't really happened. We are all imagining it.
Pr00ne. I will respond here about what we were discussing elsewhere. I can not understand how you believe that the criminals are not being given rights over those non criminals. I really don't know what world you live in. Obviously not the real world. I see it all around me. It makes the news and TV. What about "The Scheme"? What about all those who claims thousands in benefits illegally and get to pay back pay £0 per decade?
I actually think you write what you do to wind us up.
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Obvious from some of the comments above that some people just don't (or won't) get it.
The so-called rioters (or to give them their real name "opportunistic looters") come from all backgrounds, from the socially deprived to the well-off. They are looting for the thrill, for the rush and because society is letting them. For most of them it has absolutley nothing to do with their economic circumstances or social enviroment...it is nothing more than the gangs that hang around everynight on street corners let of the leash, with some hardened lawbreakers mixed in to take advantage.
People have been murdered and several dozen torched out of their homes. It is anarchy, so it has to be stamped out. The initial response was weak...it is getting better.
The primary purpose of the petition is to let the politicos know that Middle England is severely p1ssed off. It has already achieved its aim. All punitive punishments have consequences as do all crimes. In the face of anarchy it is the Governments job to protect its citizens.
Whatever the cost.
The so-called rioters (or to give them their real name "opportunistic looters") come from all backgrounds, from the socially deprived to the well-off. They are looting for the thrill, for the rush and because society is letting them. For most of them it has absolutley nothing to do with their economic circumstances or social enviroment...it is nothing more than the gangs that hang around everynight on street corners let of the leash, with some hardened lawbreakers mixed in to take advantage.
People have been murdered and several dozen torched out of their homes. It is anarchy, so it has to be stamped out. The initial response was weak...it is getting better.
The primary purpose of the petition is to let the politicos know that Middle England is severely p1ssed off. It has already achieved its aim. All punitive punishments have consequences as do all crimes. In the face of anarchy it is the Governments job to protect its citizens.
Whatever the cost.
I've copied this from another site but it sums up quite a lot.
I listened to a Scottish Professor of Psychology being interviewed on BBC radio last night. To paraphrase…
Interviewer: “Clearly professor, these rioters have a common purpose, a common goal. They want to let society know of their frustrations and that they are driven by a strong desire and common purpose. Can you explain how their minds are working and what exactly they are seeking”
Professor: “ I think that what they are seeking is the acquisition of a large-screen, high definition television set, hopefully with 3-D capability.
Interviewer: “Er, pardon,”
Professor: “Lets’s face it; they’re not targeting bastions of capitalism; I mean, they’re not throwing paint and bricks at banks. What they are doing is smashing they way into Dixons & Currys and walking off with television sets and I-phones.
Interviewer: But the common motive behind the rioting…the true cause is?
Professor: “Like I said, they want to steal a television set.
Interviewer: “ Er, thanks, Professor.
Interviewer: “Clearly professor, these rioters have a common purpose, a common goal. They want to let society know of their frustrations and that they are driven by a strong desire and common purpose. Can you explain how their minds are working and what exactly they are seeking”
Professor: “ I think that what they are seeking is the acquisition of a large-screen, high definition television set, hopefully with 3-D capability.
Interviewer: “Er, pardon,”
Professor: “Lets’s face it; they’re not targeting bastions of capitalism; I mean, they’re not throwing paint and bricks at banks. What they are doing is smashing they way into Dixons & Currys and walking off with television sets and I-phones.
Interviewer: But the common motive behind the rioting…the true cause is?
Professor: “Like I said, they want to steal a television set.
Interviewer: “ Er, thanks, Professor.
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PTT - Yr Point 1. Wrong! They don't go to jail. That is precisely half of the problem.
When you combine a weak justice system that provides effectively no deterrent to bad behaviour and a section of society that sees itself as having nothing to lose, then you have an explosive mixture. Stir in poor parenting, moronic rap and celebrity culture, missing fathers, a society that tells people about their rights but not their responsibilities, a system that rewards idleness and punishes enterprise.... and you get something like the last 3 days.
When you combine a weak justice system that provides effectively no deterrent to bad behaviour and a section of society that sees itself as having nothing to lose, then you have an explosive mixture. Stir in poor parenting, moronic rap and celebrity culture, missing fathers, a society that tells people about their rights but not their responsibilities, a system that rewards idleness and punishes enterprise.... and you get something like the last 3 days.
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Well said TOFO.
The 'Daily Mail bit' is the assumption that the rioters are all, or largely all, on benefits, which would appear to be a dubious claim. The scots professor is bang on in my view.
What's the point of asking for rioters to lose benefits? Why not ask for something more straightforward that will apply to all rioters of whatever origin, ie 'petition for all rioters to get at least 5 years hard labour with no parole' ... might have to build an extra prison or two and provide the hard labour bit mind....
On the other hand...
It's opportunist crime, of a very serious degree, and any response should probably be equally seriously thought through instead of going for the standard knee jerk responses we seem to do ever so well. Meantime prosecute every one who gets caught, and don't go easy in court.
The 'Daily Mail bit' is the assumption that the rioters are all, or largely all, on benefits, which would appear to be a dubious claim. The scots professor is bang on in my view.
What's the point of asking for rioters to lose benefits? Why not ask for something more straightforward that will apply to all rioters of whatever origin, ie 'petition for all rioters to get at least 5 years hard labour with no parole' ... might have to build an extra prison or two and provide the hard labour bit mind....
On the other hand...
It's opportunist crime, of a very serious degree, and any response should probably be equally seriously thought through instead of going for the standard knee jerk responses we seem to do ever so well. Meantime prosecute every one who gets caught, and don't go easy in court.
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E-petition
I just tried the e-petition , but the direct.gov website seems to be struggling with volume (wonder why
??)!
I agree that it's usually a waste of time, but the BBC News is stating that if an e-petition gets more than 100,000 signatures, it triggers a referral to a back-bench business committee of MPs, who can then call for a debate on it in the House.
On a slightly lighter note, a friend of mine just posted a great line on Facebook.....anyone who suggests that these riots are down to cuts is unfortunately missing a letter!
??)! I agree that it's usually a waste of time, but the BBC News is stating that if an e-petition gets more than 100,000 signatures, it triggers a referral to a back-bench business committee of MPs, who can then call for a debate on it in the House.
On a slightly lighter note, a friend of mine just posted a great line on Facebook.....anyone who suggests that these riots are down to cuts is unfortunately missing a letter!
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Then point 2 applies, obviously.
What do you think the reason for the welfare state is? Do you think that the rich started giving money to the poor in England and Wales 400+ years ago out of the kindness of their hearts or some sense of social responsibility or pressure? Or do you think that it was there to reinforce a sense of social hierarchy and provide a way of controlling the 'lower orders'?
PTT - Yr Point 1. Wrong! They don't go to jail. That is precisely half of the problem.
What do you think the reason for the welfare state is? Do you think that the rich started giving money to the poor in England and Wales 400+ years ago out of the kindness of their hearts or some sense of social responsibility or pressure? Or do you think that it was there to reinforce a sense of social hierarchy and provide a way of controlling the 'lower orders'?