Reasons why i want to PVR......
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All I can say is I was most dissapointed when I pushed the button in July 10 on JPA 4 times that no klaxons went off, no one rushed into stop me and it was a bit of an anti climax really, unlike life outside where I now enjoy a (relatively) normal lifestyle with my wife and children, the grass is always greener if that is your mindset, if your are so unhappy then leave, but chances are you may take your unhappiness with you. Me, I had a really good run and enjoyed 19 1/2 years out of 20 (there was one really cr*p 6 months but that's another story), yes things have changed, yes there is more turmoil to come, yes you feel under the pump, yes there will be less promotion and more graft, but you do not have to stay if it upsets you that much. Personally I looked at my future and saw more time away from the family and decided enough was enough, there is more to life, I am not bitter and do not resent any of the 19 1/2 years I enjoyed, as a result I am looking forward to some time with the Reserves later this year which will give me the best of all worlds.
There are a lot of reasons to stay, there are a lot of reasons to go, at the end of the day it is your personal see-saw that will indicate the direction your path should lead. As to all the whining and whingeing on this thread, does make one chuckle!!!!!
There are a lot of reasons to stay, there are a lot of reasons to go, at the end of the day it is your personal see-saw that will indicate the direction your path should lead. As to all the whining and whingeing on this thread, does make one chuckle!!!!!
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the grass is always greener if that is your mindset, if your are so unhappy then leave, but chances are you may take your unhappiness with you
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I'm off,
Not in my current environment, English is a struggle, let alone spelling, as you should well know!!!! And I thought I was the pedant out of the pair of us!! You don't need to point out that one should not start a sentence with "And", just in case you feel the need........
Hope your keeping well and safe!
Not in my current environment, English is a struggle, let alone spelling, as you should well know!!!! And I thought I was the pedant out of the pair of us!! You don't need to point out that one should not start a sentence with "And", just in case you feel the need........
Hope your keeping well and safe!
Hey SS
The RAF will be a poorer place without you............
Some tend to forget that for those in the mob it is (or was) our mob, not some bean counter who-is-wearing-nylon-in-SHQ-on-hiss-poor-scribbly-pay's mob.
The '+' and '-' mentality works well, surely no one joins for a careeer when part of such a mechanism is to sit on your arse in MOD pushing bollocks you don't believe in?
Might have done things differently myself - but not sure would have enjoyed the outcome so much.
Thanks to everyone for tolerating me whilst I was in, if I caused harm I didn't mean it (unless you played rugby against me), if I caused laughter, it was intentional.
Civvy street has some great friendships waiting, usually wannabe-RAF-pilot-but-eye-sight-failed-them kind of people, joke!
Using the same formula mentioned by SS, I find myself in a dark country but the regulated stand-down gives me quality of life blah blah. Woke up one morning and found I was becoming one of those people I despised - a cynical bugger who wanted to change things - only I knew that you could never take on 'Town Hall' and things would never change for the better as to many people/companies had too much invested interests.
Didn't go airlines because I preferred cockpit doors that didn't lock and the only crap that I wanted to breath was my own!
Went for the 'poorer' option of rotary but feel far richer somehow and my wife doesn't think I'm chasing skirt on every flight.
Different for everybody
Happy Days
The RAF will be a poorer place without you............
Some tend to forget that for those in the mob it is (or was) our mob, not some bean counter who-is-wearing-nylon-in-SHQ-on-hiss-poor-scribbly-pay's mob.
The '+' and '-' mentality works well, surely no one joins for a careeer when part of such a mechanism is to sit on your arse in MOD pushing bollocks you don't believe in?
Might have done things differently myself - but not sure would have enjoyed the outcome so much.
Thanks to everyone for tolerating me whilst I was in, if I caused harm I didn't mean it (unless you played rugby against me), if I caused laughter, it was intentional.
Civvy street has some great friendships waiting, usually wannabe-RAF-pilot-but-eye-sight-failed-them kind of people, joke!
Using the same formula mentioned by SS, I find myself in a dark country but the regulated stand-down gives me quality of life blah blah. Woke up one morning and found I was becoming one of those people I despised - a cynical bugger who wanted to change things - only I knew that you could never take on 'Town Hall' and things would never change for the better as to many people/companies had too much invested interests.
Didn't go airlines because I preferred cockpit doors that didn't lock and the only crap that I wanted to breath was my own!
Went for the 'poorer' option of rotary but feel far richer somehow and my wife doesn't think I'm chasing skirt on every flight.
Different for everybody
Happy Days
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Aye, that will be me. A thoroughly enjoyable, if somewhat truncated, tour which I look back on with fond memories.
Mind you, I didn't say I had found anything on the other side. Indeed I am far from it, but I'm prepared to take my chances along with everyone else (it also helps that Mrs SFO has a job!).
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Mind you, I didn't say I had found anything on the other side. Indeed I am far from it, but I'm prepared to take my chances along with everyone else (it also helps that Mrs SFO has a job!).
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Gents - just remember, to those above you are just another number.... If you go they will find someone else. PVR'ing was the second best decision I ever made. The first was joining.
I have been in my current job for five years - home every night, couple of jollies away.
Yes the stress is epic and times are still hard in manufacturing but I have achieved far more and had more satisfaction outside than 90% of my time in.
Would I go back, not now - would I rejoin the RAF I once knew - Duh.....of course but it will never come back.
Look forwards - and some words of advice. the private sector has long since stepped beyond bullS*** bingo Buzzwords and management speak, we want results and understandable numbers.
If you are serious about PVR don't worry, the things I look for most in an employee are -
1. Integrity
2. Ability to fit into my team
3. Work Ethic
4. Can they learn the skills they don't have
5. Do they have the skills already.
Good Luck - it is tough out here but still easier than getting into and through ZobU - "Cranditz" I believe you call it. If you can make that then you should make it out here, Just don't bore me forever with WIWAL or WIWAB or wherever - If I want tall stories I'll ask.
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I have been in my current job for five years - home every night, couple of jollies away.
Yes the stress is epic and times are still hard in manufacturing but I have achieved far more and had more satisfaction outside than 90% of my time in.
Would I go back, not now - would I rejoin the RAF I once knew - Duh.....of course but it will never come back.
Look forwards - and some words of advice. the private sector has long since stepped beyond bullS*** bingo Buzzwords and management speak, we want results and understandable numbers.
If you are serious about PVR don't worry, the things I look for most in an employee are -
1. Integrity
2. Ability to fit into my team
3. Work Ethic
4. Can they learn the skills they don't have
5. Do they have the skills already.
Good Luck - it is tough out here but still easier than getting into and through ZobU - "Cranditz" I believe you call it. If you can make that then you should make it out here, Just don't bore me forever with WIWAL or WIWAB or wherever - If I want tall stories I'll ask.
CS
Oh and before you ask, I am not recruiting. I have just filled my latest posts
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Stormrider, wise words and well said, no I do not want a job!
In fairness the skills we have all amassed in the military time we have racked up gives us experiences most of our civilian counterparts cannot contemplate, however at interview the ability to verbalise it, explain it and, most importantly, make it relevant to the position you would perhaps like to fill is a skill which anyone can acquire, and in that respect we are no better prepared, indeed sometimes perhaps less so, than our civilian peers. For all things it comes down to the qualities you have listed coupled with the prior preparation we all used to do so that we did not get caught with our pants down, or if we did, then we could explain why we were, and why the Staish's daughter was underneath us!!!
In fairness the skills we have all amassed in the military time we have racked up gives us experiences most of our civilian counterparts cannot contemplate, however at interview the ability to verbalise it, explain it and, most importantly, make it relevant to the position you would perhaps like to fill is a skill which anyone can acquire, and in that respect we are no better prepared, indeed sometimes perhaps less so, than our civilian peers. For all things it comes down to the qualities you have listed coupled with the prior preparation we all used to do so that we did not get caught with our pants down, or if we did, then we could explain why we were, and why the Staish's daughter was underneath us!!!
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Bull**** Bingo and Management Speak is still alive and well in:
Consultancy Companies - Ernst & Young, Price-Waterhouse Coopers, etc...
IT outsourcers - Hitachi, Fujitsu, HP, etc...
They also snap up ex-mil people as they like people who are comfortable working in MOD and OGDs.
So times are not so tough out there. A SO1 or SO2 with a reasonable management degree or MBA should easily attract a job with a 6 figure salary - work as boring as sh!t but you can buy a nice Pitts Special to pull the wings off when you take the odd day off or at a weekend. But this is more attractive than flying rubber dog sh!t out of Hong Kong or taking the great unwashed to Barcelona 3 times a day - and it pays better than 99% of airline jobs.
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Consultancy Companies - Ernst & Young, Price-Waterhouse Coopers, etc...
IT outsourcers - Hitachi, Fujitsu, HP, etc...
They also snap up ex-mil people as they like people who are comfortable working in MOD and OGDs.
So times are not so tough out there. A SO1 or SO2 with a reasonable management degree or MBA should easily attract a job with a 6 figure salary - work as boring as sh!t but you can buy a nice Pitts Special to pull the wings off when you take the odd day off or at a weekend. But this is more attractive than flying rubber dog sh!t out of Hong Kong or taking the great unwashed to Barcelona 3 times a day - and it pays better than 99% of airline jobs.
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Corporal Clott,
You said;
"A SO1 or SO2 with a reasonable management degree or MBA should easily attract a job with a 6 figure salary - work as boring as sh!t"
Er, do you realise just how rare jobs are that pay a salary anything remotely like that? They are rare as hens teeth for everyone, trying to convince an SO1 or 2 that he or she can just waltz into a post paying that sort of money is simply misleading at best and disingenuous at worst.
You will disappoint a lot of people with that kind of nonsense.
You said;
"A SO1 or SO2 with a reasonable management degree or MBA should easily attract a job with a 6 figure salary - work as boring as sh!t"
Er, do you realise just how rare jobs are that pay a salary anything remotely like that? They are rare as hens teeth for everyone, trying to convince an SO1 or 2 that he or she can just waltz into a post paying that sort of money is simply misleading at best and disingenuous at worst.
You will disappoint a lot of people with that kind of nonsense.
pr00ne is, on this occasion at least, entirely correct.
Mind you, for those of us with a six-figure pension*, who'd want to work anyway?
*if converted to Mexican pesos!
Mind you, for those of us with a six-figure pension*, who'd want to work anyway?
*if converted to Mexican pesos!
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Not misleading, I know of several ex Lt Cols/Wg Cdrs/Cdrs and the rank below working for the "big 4" in the City (PWC, E&Y, Deloitte and KPMG) with MBAs and good business school degrees. Starting salary as an associate ia normally about £80-100k with a £20-30k bonus. Its a cut throat world to get to Partner but then you could be on £500-800k plus a %ge of the deals that you land.
Its megabucks in this world - look at where some of the corporate people came from in the Defence Reform Unit, Key Systems Advisers and some of the NITEWORKS projects; some are paid for their services at a DAILY rate of £1500-£2000!!! Kind of puts the supposed "mega bucks" in the airlines in the shade, doesn't it?
That said, selection into the big four takes 6-12 months of various interviews. They are looking for ex Service people with the right skills and most importantly connections into MoD and OGDs. That is why SO2+ ranks are only lilely to succeed due to the need to have working relationships at SO1 to at least 2 star level.
If you don't go to the big four then others like Dettica, Hewlett Packard, Hitachi, Serco Defence, etc... are always looking for good people as well. Their salaries are typically 20% lower but with a bonus you could well be in 6 figures.
So I standby my original statememt.
Its megabucks in this world - look at where some of the corporate people came from in the Defence Reform Unit, Key Systems Advisers and some of the NITEWORKS projects; some are paid for their services at a DAILY rate of £1500-£2000!!! Kind of puts the supposed "mega bucks" in the airlines in the shade, doesn't it?
That said, selection into the big four takes 6-12 months of various interviews. They are looking for ex Service people with the right skills and most importantly connections into MoD and OGDs. That is why SO2+ ranks are only lilely to succeed due to the need to have working relationships at SO1 to at least 2 star level.
If you don't go to the big four then others like Dettica, Hewlett Packard, Hitachi, Serco Defence, etc... are always looking for good people as well. Their salaries are typically 20% lower but with a bonus you could well be in 6 figures.
So I standby my original statememt.