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By having a sufficiently strong military, the red hordes were deterred from curtailing our freedom. In order to have a strong military (and be seen to have such), it is necessary to mount frequent exercises.
Whether the exercises result in large tracts of German countryside being ploughed over by several thousand armoured vehicles, or the ambience being polluted by noisy jet engines, there is a social price to pay for the privilege of freedom.
Ergo, jet noise can be said to be the sound of freedom. While the bad guys may have had noisy jets, those in Nordrhein-Westfalen would never hear them. Or if they ever did, their freedom was imminently in danger and the deterrent had failed. Fortunately, something that did not happen.
It's not just civvies that have to put up with it. Barrack Block 544 at BZZ was not a fun place to be at 0600 every morning when the first VC10 of the day launched either.
Whether the exercises result in large tracts of German countryside being ploughed over by several thousand armoured vehicles, or the ambience being polluted by noisy jet engines, there is a social price to pay for the privilege of freedom.
Ergo, jet noise can be said to be the sound of freedom. While the bad guys may have had noisy jets, those in Nordrhein-Westfalen would never hear them. Or if they ever did, their freedom was imminently in danger and the deterrent had failed. Fortunately, something that did not happen.
It's not just civvies that have to put up with it. Barrack Block 544 at BZZ was not a fun place to be at 0600 every morning when the first VC10 of the day launched either.
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For goodness sake pr00ne, lighten up and get a life. It's just a bumper sticker phrase. If that offends or upsets you then there's no hope.
I also hope that the skinny model contributed financially to help pay for the delays and frustrations she caused. However, the country's gone mad where "celebs" are concerned, so it's likely the authorities fell over themselves to "help" her and cared little for the inconvenience suffered by the general public.
I also hope that the skinny model contributed financially to help pay for the delays and frustrations she caused. However, the country's gone mad where "celebs" are concerned, so it's likely the authorities fell over themselves to "help" her and cared little for the inconvenience suffered by the general public.
Romeo Oscar Golf,
Quite lightened up thanks and have a rather happy fun life, though would rather be in a bar or somewhere similar now, ah well.
Said bumper sticker neither offends me OR upsets me, I just thought it nonsense then and do now.
Hope that you are right about Moss and financial assistance.
Roadster280,
I used to believe that nonsense for a while too.
We didn't deter any red hordes. 3 days worth of weapons, less than that in spares and consumables, jets out in the open, no hardened shelters, massively outnumbered.
So why didn't they come?
Well, I guess that they were there because we were there, and we were there because they were there, and both us of were there because of an accident of history meant that that was where we stopped the last time.
The whole thing was a nonsense, from both sides.
A noisy nonsense.
Quite lightened up thanks and have a rather happy fun life, though would rather be in a bar or somewhere similar now, ah well.
Said bumper sticker neither offends me OR upsets me, I just thought it nonsense then and do now.
Hope that you are right about Moss and financial assistance.
Roadster280,
I used to believe that nonsense for a while too.
We didn't deter any red hordes. 3 days worth of weapons, less than that in spares and consumables, jets out in the open, no hardened shelters, massively outnumbered.
So why didn't they come?
Well, I guess that they were there because we were there, and we were there because they were there, and both us of were there because of an accident of history meant that that was where we stopped the last time.
The whole thing was a nonsense, from both sides.
A noisy nonsense.
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though would rather be in a bar or somewhere similar
I still think you are wrong, but what the hell, despite minivals/tacevals etc it was bloody good fun and I was young and fit.
We didn't deter any red hordes. 3 days worth of weapons, less than that in spares and consumables, jets out in the open, no hardened shelters, massively outnumbered.
So why didn't they come?
So why didn't they come?
I live in this village, Southrop. Even locals were stopped by police from getting to their house without questioning.
What is far more to the point is that sharpend and his neighbours really did have their freedom curtailed (quite probably illegally by the sound of it) at the behest of this vapid "celeb". Is anyone locally taking this up with their MP, or the Chief Constable?
Tankertrashnav, yes, it seems that Cocaine Kate had to pay for the extra rozzers....
To think that we cold warriors were supposed to have defended people from this "Zeigen Sie mir Ihre Papiere bitte!" Stasi-style nonsense here in the UK...
To think that we cold warriors were supposed to have defended people from this "Zeigen Sie mir Ihre Papiere bitte!" Stasi-style nonsense here in the UK...
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Still don't see how that noise had anything to do with freedom, mine or anybody elses.
pr00ne,
It strikes me you've had a radical change of heart about the entire concept of standing armed forces, certainly where our crowd are concerned. I specify "our crowd" because not too long ago, on a different thread, about a possible future Russian threat, you were happy to dismiss their rearmament programme as simply exercising the right to upgrade and refurbish?
FB
It strikes me you've had a radical change of heart about the entire concept of standing armed forces, certainly where our crowd are concerned. I specify "our crowd" because not too long ago, on a different thread, about a possible future Russian threat, you were happy to dismiss their rearmament programme as simply exercising the right to upgrade and refurbish?
FB
Finningley Boy,
Not at all. I have no real issue with the idea of standing armed forces, especially in today's world. The idea that they 'defend freedom' and 'allow me to have free speech' is a bit of a misnomer. Most armed forces in this world spend more time suppressing free speech than preserving it, they are in fact just the violence applying arm of Government, what they do rather depends on the nature of the Government they serve.
However, I digress from your original point. No radical change of heart between when I was in and now, I just didn't believe the line that the Reds were poised to swarm across the border and that it was just me and my RAFG and 2ATAF chums who were stopping them. We had such little provision in the way of weapons, spares and consumables that the fact that we were a 'deterrent' was a nonsense. If they had wanted to come then they would have come and we would not have stopped them short of turning Europe, and ergo the world, into a de- populated radioactive waste land.
They were poised at the border because that is where they stopped in 1945. We were poised on our side of the border because that is where WE stopped in 1945.
That's were we stayed from 1945 up until 1990 when their political system collapsed and the East at last emerged from a cloud of decades of authoritarian dictatorial control.
Not sure what your point about me dismissing the Russian rearmament programme is about? What Russian re armament programme was that?
Not at all. I have no real issue with the idea of standing armed forces, especially in today's world. The idea that they 'defend freedom' and 'allow me to have free speech' is a bit of a misnomer. Most armed forces in this world spend more time suppressing free speech than preserving it, they are in fact just the violence applying arm of Government, what they do rather depends on the nature of the Government they serve.
However, I digress from your original point. No radical change of heart between when I was in and now, I just didn't believe the line that the Reds were poised to swarm across the border and that it was just me and my RAFG and 2ATAF chums who were stopping them. We had such little provision in the way of weapons, spares and consumables that the fact that we were a 'deterrent' was a nonsense. If they had wanted to come then they would have come and we would not have stopped them short of turning Europe, and ergo the world, into a de- populated radioactive waste land.
They were poised at the border because that is where they stopped in 1945. We were poised on our side of the border because that is where WE stopped in 1945.
That's were we stayed from 1945 up until 1990 when their political system collapsed and the East at last emerged from a cloud of decades of authoritarian dictatorial control.
Not sure what your point about me dismissing the Russian rearmament programme is about? What Russian re armament programme was that?
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Free speech for Marsh Arabs, Kurds, Afghan women and Falkland Islanders don't count then pr00ne, eh?? 
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