Reasons why i want to PVR......
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Reasons why i want to PVR......
1./ I work more hours every day, than i fly in a month....
2./ We're so undermanned, i can't take leave. But they wont allow me to carry it over...
3./ I can't get promoted by being 'exceptional' at my job...
4./ I can't get time off to do AT...
5./ I can't get to the gym within my working day...
6./ I don't get a 'blunch' break...
7./ I committed to a career with the RAF and in return swore to display attributes such as honesty, integrity, diligence and loyalty. My employer no longer displays any of those qualities to me...
How about you??
2./ We're so undermanned, i can't take leave. But they wont allow me to carry it over...
3./ I can't get promoted by being 'exceptional' at my job...
4./ I can't get time off to do AT...
5./ I can't get to the gym within my working day...
6./ I don't get a 'blunch' break...
7./ I committed to a career with the RAF and in return swore to display attributes such as honesty, integrity, diligence and loyalty. My employer no longer displays any of those qualities to me...
How about you??
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Civilian employers arent so.... gash. Many follow the rules because its the right thing to do, not because they have been forced to.
Comparable pay.
Outside employers value positive criticism and out the box thinking, displaying the same within the RAF will get you sacked or shafted in your next tour.
Lack of job security and stability
axeing of our allowances and most importantly, underhand changes (and threatened changes) to specialist pay that is only an allowance so we dont get it as a pension.
The recent displayed arrogance of AMP Brief team to questions on the above topic. My reply to typical blunty greeneyed response: "we will all leave for the airlines if you touch FP".Their response?
"No you wont".
Comparable pay.
Outside employers value positive criticism and out the box thinking, displaying the same within the RAF will get you sacked or shafted in your next tour.
Lack of job security and stability
axeing of our allowances and most importantly, underhand changes (and threatened changes) to specialist pay that is only an allowance so we dont get it as a pension.
The recent displayed arrogance of AMP Brief team to questions on the above topic. My reply to typical blunty greeneyed response: "we will all leave for the airlines if you touch FP".Their response?
"No you wont".
Champagne anyone...?
1/ I flew my arse off
2/ I enjoyed the dets/exercises/training so wasn't really bothered about losing leave
3/ I wasn't interested in getting promoted so just had to deal with being above average in my primary duty and below average in trivia, hoop jumping & secondary toss.
4/ Managed to fit in AT by not going on holiday
5/ I generally could and if I couldn't I go out of my working day.
6/ I got "lunch" on the aircraft
7/ I committed to a career in the RAF because I enjoyed the flying, the people and the lifestyle. I went to work, followed the rules and did as I was told. Travelled the world, went to "war", generally did some quite cool stuff at the behest of the RAF and had a blast. I am quite content that the RAF doesn't owe me anything and am likewise happy that I owe it nothing either.
I told myself when I signed on for PAS that I would keep doing the job for as long as I enjoyed it and got something out of it. Those two simple tests were failed recently so I PVR'd. Simple enough. I wasn't really that bothered by allowances changes, JPA, fitness tests, flying pay, Lyneham closing, Airworthiness, Nimrods, Harriers (or whatever the latest gurn is) as the fun of the job itself outweighed all that rubbish. Once that was no longer the case the decision made itself.
Gurning on the internet serves no purpose other than to register your displeasure with life. If you don't like it then leave. If you can't leave for financial reasons then bite your lip, take the money and sit it out.
2/ I enjoyed the dets/exercises/training so wasn't really bothered about losing leave
3/ I wasn't interested in getting promoted so just had to deal with being above average in my primary duty and below average in trivia, hoop jumping & secondary toss.
4/ Managed to fit in AT by not going on holiday
5/ I generally could and if I couldn't I go out of my working day.
6/ I got "lunch" on the aircraft
7/ I committed to a career in the RAF because I enjoyed the flying, the people and the lifestyle. I went to work, followed the rules and did as I was told. Travelled the world, went to "war", generally did some quite cool stuff at the behest of the RAF and had a blast. I am quite content that the RAF doesn't owe me anything and am likewise happy that I owe it nothing either.
I told myself when I signed on for PAS that I would keep doing the job for as long as I enjoyed it and got something out of it. Those two simple tests were failed recently so I PVR'd. Simple enough. I wasn't really that bothered by allowances changes, JPA, fitness tests, flying pay, Lyneham closing, Airworthiness, Nimrods, Harriers (or whatever the latest gurn is) as the fun of the job itself outweighed all that rubbish. Once that was no longer the case the decision made itself.
Gurning on the internet serves no purpose other than to register your displeasure with life. If you don't like it then leave. If you can't leave for financial reasons then bite your lip, take the money and sit it out.
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If you can't leave for financial reasons then bite your lip, take the money and sit it out
My god there are many people in this category!. I am just waiting for the most opportune time to jump.....and that may be in a year or so. The point is, I have lost faith.
My god there are many people in this category!. I am just waiting for the most opportune time to jump.....and that may be in a year or so. The point is, I have lost faith.
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Vin,
Its not just mil allowances and pensions that are changing, don't forget..
BBC News - BA pensions: no going back on CPI inflation proofing
Its not just mil allowances and pensions that are changing, don't forget..
BBC News - BA pensions: no going back on CPI inflation proofing
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Iccarus, Grabbers, Vin Rouge........
So do it. PVR.
Ralphmalph,
If you can't afford to leave, you're obviously getting something out of the RAF that's satisfying?
So do it. PVR.
Ralphmalph,
If you can't afford to leave, you're obviously getting something out of the RAF that's satisfying?
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Am I the only one getting increasingly fed up with the "if you don't like it just leave" mentality?
When you try introduce cogent debate as to what's wrong and what could be done to improve the situation (not all recommendations involve cash), all you get is the above response. In my view its a lazy weasel phrase used by those who cant be bothered to get involved.
There is an overwhelming feeling of apathy at pretty much every level in terms of generating improvements to daily life. I'm not saying it would stem the tide of PVRs, but every little helps.
To those who have PVRd - well done - you'll probably hit the market at just about the right time.
When you try introduce cogent debate as to what's wrong and what could be done to improve the situation (not all recommendations involve cash), all you get is the above response. In my view its a lazy weasel phrase used by those who cant be bothered to get involved.
There is an overwhelming feeling of apathy at pretty much every level in terms of generating improvements to daily life. I'm not saying it would stem the tide of PVRs, but every little helps.
To those who have PVRd - well done - you'll probably hit the market at just about the right time.
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When you try introduce cogent debate as to what's wrong and what could be done to improve the situation (not all recommendations involve cash), all you get is the above response.
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My point is that for as long as I've been coming on this site, people are moaning about their lot. Secondary duties, allowances, PT, flying hours, budget cuts etc etc. The truth is that the overwhelming majority of those complaining in 1999, are probably the same lot who are moaning now.
It's different now than it was. It will be different in 10 years time than it is now etc etc. As they say, the only constant is change. Either go with the flow and accept the changes that are thrust upon you, or make the changes yourself, but stop whining on website forums and warning how the whole armed forces are going to walk all at the same time. History suggests they won't and this website backs that up.
It's different now than it was. It will be different in 10 years time than it is now etc etc. As they say, the only constant is change. Either go with the flow and accept the changes that are thrust upon you, or make the changes yourself, but stop whining on website forums and warning how the whole armed forces are going to walk all at the same time. History suggests they won't and this website backs that up.
Why I PVRd and left
Chicken Leg,
I would love to agree with you but ....things are different.
Why I PVR'd and left.
1. With my pension and new salary I got an effective payrise for the first time in 3 years. (top of the pay spine for rank). In my new job, everyone has just got a pay rise..result!
2. With reductions in manpower promotion prospects were grim. Outside, the whole world has just opened up.
3. Despite doing everything to the best of my ability and getting credit in reports...it made no difference...no jobs/requirement.
4. SDSR.
5. Rape of allowances.
6. Pension changes due in 2015.
7. SFA on the rocks and entitlement to it under review.
8. Entitlement to SLA under review.
9. Harmony under review.
10. Manpower cuts.
11. Perfectly useful capabilities being cut to save what is an eyewatering sum of money. Less platforms = back to point 2.
12. Huge sums of money yet to be saved..PR11..PR12 etc all looking grimmer than a grim thing in grimland. = back to point 2.
13. Got out before the rush.
14. Not in the CEA trap and in the position of having to stay in cos' the kids need two more years at boarding school.
15. Gratuity was very nice thanks and made up for being paid 30-50% less than civilian colleagues I often worked alongside. Means I am now nearly in my own home for the first time, where I will stay. Kids get stability and so does Mrs W.
16. I now go home every night and still get the odd trip abroad, with realistic expenses.
So that's pretty much why I left. I was also aware in my last job of other stuff that made me think that I did not want to be a part of the organisation anymore. I feel no bitterness, I have many, many fond memories. The bad bosses and bad times have all faded and I am left with a sense of achievement and pride at over a quarter of a century in the Queen's Service.
I hope things improve for those that are left but I doubt much will get better before 2018. I feel sorry for those that want out but are not pensionable or in a financial situation that means thay cannot afford to leave. It is sadness that pevades. Sadness that decades of people have sweated, toiled and died for what they considered was the better good. To develop professionalism in all of the services. To be the best in the world in a plethora of specialist areas be it, ASW, ASUW, Int, AAW, Infrantry, Artillery, ISTAR and all the support trades that often get a poor press on forums such as this but whom, in their own way have skills that have been passed down through generations and developed, which are now being thrown away and will take decades to get back.
Sadness....that's the feeling, sadness attenuated with the relief that I am out!
Cheersnow
I would love to agree with you but ....things are different.
Why I PVR'd and left.
1. With my pension and new salary I got an effective payrise for the first time in 3 years. (top of the pay spine for rank). In my new job, everyone has just got a pay rise..result!
2. With reductions in manpower promotion prospects were grim. Outside, the whole world has just opened up.
3. Despite doing everything to the best of my ability and getting credit in reports...it made no difference...no jobs/requirement.
4. SDSR.
5. Rape of allowances.
6. Pension changes due in 2015.
7. SFA on the rocks and entitlement to it under review.
8. Entitlement to SLA under review.
9. Harmony under review.
10. Manpower cuts.
11. Perfectly useful capabilities being cut to save what is an eyewatering sum of money. Less platforms = back to point 2.
12. Huge sums of money yet to be saved..PR11..PR12 etc all looking grimmer than a grim thing in grimland. = back to point 2.
13. Got out before the rush.
14. Not in the CEA trap and in the position of having to stay in cos' the kids need two more years at boarding school.
15. Gratuity was very nice thanks and made up for being paid 30-50% less than civilian colleagues I often worked alongside. Means I am now nearly in my own home for the first time, where I will stay. Kids get stability and so does Mrs W.
16. I now go home every night and still get the odd trip abroad, with realistic expenses.
So that's pretty much why I left. I was also aware in my last job of other stuff that made me think that I did not want to be a part of the organisation anymore. I feel no bitterness, I have many, many fond memories. The bad bosses and bad times have all faded and I am left with a sense of achievement and pride at over a quarter of a century in the Queen's Service.
I hope things improve for those that are left but I doubt much will get better before 2018. I feel sorry for those that want out but are not pensionable or in a financial situation that means thay cannot afford to leave. It is sadness that pevades. Sadness that decades of people have sweated, toiled and died for what they considered was the better good. To develop professionalism in all of the services. To be the best in the world in a plethora of specialist areas be it, ASW, ASUW, Int, AAW, Infrantry, Artillery, ISTAR and all the support trades that often get a poor press on forums such as this but whom, in their own way have skills that have been passed down through generations and developed, which are now being thrown away and will take decades to get back.
Sadness....that's the feeling, sadness attenuated with the relief that I am out!
Cheersnow
Last edited by Widger; 12th Jul 2011 at 14:50.
