MoD to buy 5 x P8 from USA - maybe
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Oh ye of little faith gr4techie. I'm sure MoD always put their trousers on the right way round and have ordered an aircraft called P8.
Albeit probably this one:
or this one:
(which is a Boeing!)
Albeit probably this one:
or this one:
(which is a Boeing!)
"Minister, minister - I've got some great news!"
"What is it, boy?"
"You know these P-8 things the RAF keeps talking about, well I can get them for a great price!"
"Pray tell me how?"
"Well, there was this plumber who was fixing the Ministry leaks the other day and he told me he could get me some for a few quid and a permanent immigration visa - what's even better is that he can get a 4-engined version!"
"Really.....??"
"Yes - bit hard to understand his accent, but here's a photo. Sorry it's only in black and white though:
"Good show - tell him we'll take 5!"
"What is it, boy?"
"You know these P-8 things the RAF keeps talking about, well I can get them for a great price!"
"Pray tell me how?"
"Well, there was this plumber who was fixing the Ministry leaks the other day and he told me he could get me some for a few quid and a permanent immigration visa - what's even better is that he can get a 4-engined version!"
"Really.....??"
"Yes - bit hard to understand his accent, but here's a photo. Sorry it's only in black and white though:
"Good show - tell him we'll take 5!"
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"Apparently the USN have been invited and accepted Waddos show invite" - probably shipping over a USAF crew to fly the RJ"
Seeing the best P8A crew in the USN bring her over would bring a tear to a glass eye.
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80308
Seeing the best P8A crew in the USN bring her over would bring a tear to a glass eye.
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80308
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Perhaps if we buy them they could install these
EBACE: Fokker proposes giant window to Boeing Business Jets - 5/21/2014 - Flight Global
EBACE: Fokker proposes giant window to Boeing Business Jets - 5/21/2014 - Flight Global
On the bright side, my esteemed Cajun cousin, it does make for an interoperability win among allies. 
Neither we nor the Brits do things alone anymore, or so it seems. It's all about allies and coalitions.
NutLoose: love the window, hope that mod is available for the Poseidon. You could probably line up three aircrew to press ham duringa low pass / fly by of the battlegroup. 
Neither we nor the Brits do things alone anymore, or so it seems. It's all about allies and coalitions.NutLoose: love the window, hope that mod is available for the Poseidon. You could probably line up three aircrew to press ham duringa low pass / fly by of the battlegroup.
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fly by of the battlegroup.
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UK National Strategy for Maritime Security
Surprised that no-one seems to have picked up on this document published a couple of days ago:
This is what it states about the RAF, without ever bothering to state how, or with what:
The Royal Air Force (RAF) protects Britain’s interests, citizens, territory and trade through the intelligent application of Air Power, exploiting the inherent speed of reaction, speed of reach and speed of effect that this offers – to enable flexible political choice and, ultimately, to deliver
military effect. In concert with allies, partners and the other Services, the RAF provides support to international maritime security and deters
threats to UK prosperity and security. The RAF maintains a number of aircraft and units ready to respond at extremely short notice to threats
to the UK; the roles include Quick Reaction Alert (to sustain Control of the Air), Attack, and Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR). Internationally, the RAF works with partners to counter illegal maritime activity, including piracy, drug smuggling and other illegal trade, particularly in the Mediterranean, the Gulf, the Caribbean and the South Atlantic, and it also contributes to the development of maritime air surveillance capabilities.
Still, it's a starter for 10 for a Staff Officer to tie his P-8 Statement of Requirement to.
military effect. In concert with allies, partners and the other Services, the RAF provides support to international maritime security and deters
threats to UK prosperity and security. The RAF maintains a number of aircraft and units ready to respond at extremely short notice to threats
to the UK; the roles include Quick Reaction Alert (to sustain Control of the Air), Attack, and Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR). Internationally, the RAF works with partners to counter illegal maritime activity, including piracy, drug smuggling and other illegal trade, particularly in the Mediterranean, the Gulf, the Caribbean and the South Atlantic, and it also contributes to the development of maritime air surveillance capabilities.
Still, it's a starter for 10 for a Staff Officer to tie his P-8 Statement of Requirement to.
Yes. - Chile has a handful of C295 MPA, as do the Portuguese. IIRC, the Omanis have ordered it (or is it the UAE? I forget). I don't think that there are that many about (the MPA variant), but it's not just a concept drawing.
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C295 Maritime Patrol Aircraft - Naval Technology
A twin and a prop job, so fatiguing to fly in compared to a jet and one or two engines short of ideal.
Has been offered to the uk
RIAT: Airbus Military steps up C295 MPA offer to UK - MILAVIA Military Aviation News
A twin and a prop job, so fatiguing to fly in compared to a jet and one or two engines short of ideal.
Has been offered to the uk
RIAT: Airbus Military steps up C295 MPA offer to UK - MILAVIA Military Aviation News
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Get these and spend the rest on Webbers.
The maritime surveillance light aircraft P2006T MRI takes to the air
The maritime surveillance light aircraft P2006T MRI takes to the air
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Not flown the C295, but have flown the younger sister in the MPA role, and it is a very pleasant/quiet aircraft to spend time in. Modern turboprops are a very different beast.
Not flown the C295, but have flown the younger sister in the MPA role, and it is a very pleasant/quiet aircraft to spend time in. Modern turboprops are a very different beast.
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Surely if you were going the turboprop route you would go with commonality of fleet without adding another type and all the support that would need.
http://www.lockheedmartin.co.uk/cont...ike%20Bell.pdf
That would allow it to be used and tailored as and when required.
http://www.lockheedmartin.co.uk/cont...ike%20Bell.pdf
That would allow it to be used and tailored as and when required.
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Sea Herc looks like it has wide utility and probably could do the job. Why has it been discussed before and never developed beyond a power point brief?
There must be a fundamental issue which stops it from being a viable option:
Development cost?
Handling characteristics?
Aircraft performance?
I suggest all of the above are as manageable as any other offering, probably better.
There must be a fundamental issue which stops it from being a viable option:
Development cost?
Handling characteristics?
Aircraft performance?
I suggest all of the above are as manageable as any other offering, probably better.
I suggest all of the above are as manageable as any other offering, probably better.
P8 - in service as an MMA.
P1 - Although not yet in service a number have been built and are in testing.
Sea Herc - a powerpoint presentation.