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AM..I have total sympathy with your view...the perceived reality by Joe Public being we still have a carrier with some air punch ...which of course is true to a degree albeit not in the way you quite rightly talk of. I note Cameron mentioned only the deployment and use of the Apache in all his public utterances and seemed determined not to say how they would be able do their job...woe betied he to say it would be from an RN (helicopter) carrier....and yes the embarrassment of the French doing their stuff from a proper CVS (called CDG no less .....NON!) with the UK as junior partner is now beginning to seep through to the Nation....an Entente approach yes...but history insists it must be balanced and joint...Nelson and Wellington must be really squirming 
Sack yer Blue! Monsewer!
Back seat to the French....say it ain't so!
Oh the opportunity this gives.....but being the Gentleman I am....I will let it pass.
Sad situation really.....I guess our turn is coming too.
Back seat to the French....say it ain't so!
Oh the opportunity this gives.....but being the Gentleman I am....I will let it pass.
Sad situation really.....I guess our turn is coming too.
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Speaking of MoD gaffes and knowing subject.
You fellas do realise Illustrious is still in service right? She's just in refit. Not that that cures the distinct lack of SHAR and Bona....
You fellas do realise Illustrious is still in service right? She's just in refit. Not that that cures the distinct lack of SHAR and Bona....
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If the Libyan crisis is still going at the end of the year what chance Harry gets sent ?
Anyone in the know, are they likely to send him to Libya instead of Afghanistan for security reasons (easier to secure him quietly on a ship than at a base) ?
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Anyone in the know, are they likely to send him to Libya instead of Afghanistan for security reasons (easier to secure him quietly on a ship than at a base) ?
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Riley
Soldiers "unarmed"...................I think not.
In situation of severe unrest in UK, bases are locked down because of concerns about safety / security as Govt is telling us.
Certain cities with certain populations are aflame instigated from abroad (or thats what Govt is stating) and military are used to quell unrest and ordered to fire................what do you think would be outcome ?
Soldiers "unarmed"...................I think not.
In situation of severe unrest in UK, bases are locked down because of concerns about safety / security as Govt is telling us.
Certain cities with certain populations are aflame instigated from abroad (or thats what Govt is stating) and military are used to quell unrest and ordered to fire................what do you think would be outcome ?
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Can't speak for the Navy or RAF, but before you sign up for the Army it's made clear that you may be required to deal with UK civil disorder.
No one should trust the government at the best of times, let alone when things get tasty. Politicians are the lowest of the low, despite their limited productivity, they are capable of anything.
No one should trust the government at the best of times, let alone when things get tasty. Politicians are the lowest of the low, despite their limited productivity, they are capable of anything.
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Bloody Sunday gives us an idea whether they would or not.
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This is digressing from main thread but not quite sure McGuinness admitted anything which is par for the course for him and his ilk.
In the context of those who died they were innocent civilians.
This is digressing from main thread but not quite sure McGuinness admitted anything which is par for the course for him and his ilk.
In the context of those who died they were innocent civilians.
racedo, I would at best characterize that as an assumption, not a truth statement, made for political purposes.
That most were more or less innocent of any wrongdoing does not guarantee that none were malefactors fortuitously caught in the lead stream. That the number of non lethal means available has grown since Bloody Sunday, over 40 years ago, means that Bloody Sunday is far less likely a response in a future disturbance.
In other news, Syrian security forces have apparently been given a taste of lead, though how much parallel this has to what's going on in Libya is anybody's guess.
That most were more or less innocent of any wrongdoing does not guarantee that none were malefactors fortuitously caught in the lead stream. That the number of non lethal means available has grown since Bloody Sunday, over 40 years ago, means that Bloody Sunday is far less likely a response in a future disturbance.
In other news, Syrian security forces have apparently been given a taste of lead, though how much parallel this has to what's going on in Libya is anybody's guess.
I posed the question...."unarmed protesters"...meaning large numbers of citizens in the streets...protesting....not rioting...not looting...but plain ol' getting out and shouting, yelling, givinig the two finger salute to the government.
Put yourself in the shoes of a commander of a platoon or company of troops...receiving orders to shoot down anyone in the street protesting.
Would you give the order?
If given the order....would you obey?
With absolute certainty....I would not....and would refuse outright. If my Commander gave such an order I would be more likely to shoot him.
Perhaps for those of you who think you would....does the name My Lai, Vietnam ring a bell? Now consider it to be your very own countrymen?
Put yourself in the shoes of a commander of a platoon or company of troops...receiving orders to shoot down anyone in the street protesting.
Would you give the order?
If given the order....would you obey?
With absolute certainty....I would not....and would refuse outright. If my Commander gave such an order I would be more likely to shoot him.
Perhaps for those of you who think you would....does the name My Lai, Vietnam ring a bell? Now consider it to be your very own countrymen?