Indians to build Typhoons??
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Indians to build Typhoons??
looks like BAE want to bring the Indians on-board as a full partner in Typhoon. That should give the USA technology export bods pause for thought
Eurofighter Typhoon frontrunner to bag the $11 billion Indian Air Force Multi-Role Combat Aircraft contract - The Economic Times
maybe if we build them in India the RAF will be able to afford the third tranche...
Eurofighter Typhoon frontrunner to bag the $11 billion Indian Air Force Multi-Role Combat Aircraft contract - The Economic Times
maybe if we build them in India the RAF will be able to afford the third tranche...
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considering the Indians have recent experience of navalising their Tejas fighter, its maybe not so off-the-wall as it sounds
They probably have knowledge to give us.
They probably have knowledge to give us.
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Will be pretty cheap, probably built by hammering old pans out for the wings and powered by 5 or 6 Royal Enfield engines driving ducted fans. SInce they will be sent to the knackers yard before they even fly this is a very cost-effective way of running an air force.
jd said: "considering the Indians have recent experience of navalising their Tejas fighter, its maybe not so off-the-wall as it sounds
They probably have knowledge to give us."
Mate, the LCA to its current state has taken what...30 years?
So any expertise the Indians might have in navalising will take, what?, another 15 years to mature.
They probably have knowledge to give us."
Mate, the LCA to its current state has taken what...30 years?
So any expertise the Indians might have in navalising will take, what?, another 15 years to mature.
jd my point here - despite the fact is Tiffie took less time to be developed and is now on ops, while Tejas is still a long way off - is that the Indians would be the last people I would go to for technology.
I visited ADA in 1988 to brief on systems, and at that stage the first flight for the LCA was to be the early 1990s. I reported on my return to UK that "if it flew in the next 10 years I would bare my butt in Oxford St." Won that ok, as TD-1 didn't get airborne until 2001 !!
They have never achieved the self-sufficiency they wanted with the aircraft, with the Kaveri engine never making it, and through the goodwill of the Yanks they have used F404. Even Tejas Mk2 will use F414.
Apart from cuisine, what else have the Indians done for us (definitely not irrigation!).
I visited ADA in 1988 to brief on systems, and at that stage the first flight for the LCA was to be the early 1990s. I reported on my return to UK that "if it flew in the next 10 years I would bare my butt in Oxford St." Won that ok, as TD-1 didn't get airborne until 2001 !!
They have never achieved the self-sufficiency they wanted with the aircraft, with the Kaveri engine never making it, and through the goodwill of the Yanks they have used F404. Even Tejas Mk2 will use F414.
Apart from cuisine, what else have the Indians done for us (definitely not irrigation!).
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In general terms I'm a lot less critical of Indian technology than you. If you are prepared to accept the minimal health and safety standards, then in high-tech industries like chemical production, drug manufacture, software development they are on a par, and often ahead of western countries.
They may have been technically poor in the past, but if they show the remarkable catch-up abilities in aircraft engineering as they have in other industries then I think you'll be in for a shock.
But - just ignore the health and safety issues....
They may have been technically poor in the past, but if they show the remarkable catch-up abilities in aircraft engineering as they have in other industries then I think you'll be in for a shock.
But - just ignore the health and safety issues....
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Also ignore what they pay their work force. The economic miracles of China and India are happening of the backs of a work force payed not much better than slave labour.
Apart from cuisine, what else have the Indians done for us
run Heathrow, Customs, London buses etc etc
fish and chips is now curry and chips. Be careful what you wish for...
run Heathrow, Customs, London buses etc etc
fish and chips is now curry and chips. Be careful what you wish for...
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Quote from February
"If Typhoon wins MMRCA then India will have the indigenous skills to develop a navalised version ," says Paul Hopkins, BAE Systems' vice- president business development (air) India."
Now whats the chances that todays press release from Warton was timed to coincide with the news from the USA of the price of the F-35?
And whats the chances of an Indian production line being set up to produce both the land and navalsied versions of Typhoon, and that we buy back the naval ones from India?
Was this the "plan B" that was hinted at when all the fuss was made about the Americans refusal to divulge the software source code of the F-35?
Quote from February
"If Typhoon wins MMRCA then India will have the indigenous skills to develop a navalised version ," says Paul Hopkins, BAE Systems' vice- president business development (air) India."
Now whats the chances that todays press release from Warton was timed to coincide with the news from the USA of the price of the F-35?
And whats the chances of an Indian production line being set up to produce both the land and navalsied versions of Typhoon, and that we buy back the naval ones from India?
Was this the "plan B" that was hinted at when all the fuss was made about the Americans refusal to divulge the software source code of the F-35?
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I hardly believe the Indians are at the cutting edge of aviation technology. They cannot even build a car! This sounds like BAE Systems falling over themselves to get a foothold in India - after all it is now considered an American Company. I only overheard 2 of their personnel in a rather luxurious health resort talking about the best way they can save their own jobs.
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they can build cars very well, admittedly of foreign design.
And don't they build the Sukhoi Su-30MKI - with a vary large local content, including avionics?
And don't they build the Sukhoi Su-30MKI - with a vary large local content, including avionics?
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Typhoon or Monsoon
The Tejas is an independently designed project that has taken 30 years for HAL to get of the ground. Don't really think it does any more than boast (supposedly) on national pride. Reality is that in order to modernnize and grow the Indian Air Force technology and equipment is needed from outside. An inside view to the thought process might actually help
1) Of the 126 aircraft that are to be purchased, 26 will be bought off the shelf, giving jobs in the country that so wins this order
2) The balance will be built under license by HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited)
3) This is not the first time HAL is doing this kind of production and definitely the second time BEA is conducting this exercise with HAL (jaguars were built in India). For some odd reasons these Joint Ventures do not suffer the time lag that the Tejas has.
The purpose of the technology transfer is definitely not price as most times it works out more expensive in India as the technitians are still from the UK or France on expat salaries. Most of the components are imported raising freight costs and other such duties. The main purpose is
1) Improve the learning curve of the Indian team so the next Tejas will not take 30 years
2) Ensure that in the event of sanctions (multiple times in the past 30 years) the aircraft does not get grounded
3) Over the life cycle of the aircraft it can be upgraded locally at half the cost.
4) Give high skill jobs in India and increase the per capita income.
All the above are not bad thoughts and probably one of the main reasons the Americans lost out on the contract as the above would not have been sustainable.
Instead the Indians have dropped $10 billion to buy C-17 and C -130 off the shelf from them.
Either way a good economic boost for all
1) Of the 126 aircraft that are to be purchased, 26 will be bought off the shelf, giving jobs in the country that so wins this order
2) The balance will be built under license by HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited)
3) This is not the first time HAL is doing this kind of production and definitely the second time BEA is conducting this exercise with HAL (jaguars were built in India). For some odd reasons these Joint Ventures do not suffer the time lag that the Tejas has.
The purpose of the technology transfer is definitely not price as most times it works out more expensive in India as the technitians are still from the UK or France on expat salaries. Most of the components are imported raising freight costs and other such duties. The main purpose is
1) Improve the learning curve of the Indian team so the next Tejas will not take 30 years
2) Ensure that in the event of sanctions (multiple times in the past 30 years) the aircraft does not get grounded
3) Over the life cycle of the aircraft it can be upgraded locally at half the cost.
4) Give high skill jobs in India and increase the per capita income.
All the above are not bad thoughts and probably one of the main reasons the Americans lost out on the contract as the above would not have been sustainable.
Instead the Indians have dropped $10 billion to buy C-17 and C -130 off the shelf from them.
Either way a good economic boost for all