Indians to build Typhoons??
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"Either way a good economic boost for all " And an even better boost for them if they can sell navalised ones back to us, and maybe Italy and Spain. The navalised Typhoon is supposed to be ski-jump capable, so no catapults needed
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EADS, not BAE
The Typhoon campaign in India is being fronted by EADS, not BAE - just for context.
BAE has already built as good a presence in India as any defence prime contractor I can think of through Jaguar and Hawk (and maybe artillery), but I stand to be corrected.
Customers like Saudi Arabia and India are pretty sophisticated and have plenty of choice. For the Typhoon to be so relatively successful suggests to me it must be at least as capable as it peers.
Good luck to EADS (with BAE's help, for sure).
BAE has already built as good a presence in India as any defence prime contractor I can think of through Jaguar and Hawk (and maybe artillery), but I stand to be corrected.
Customers like Saudi Arabia and India are pretty sophisticated and have plenty of choice. For the Typhoon to be so relatively successful suggests to me it must be at least as capable as it peers.
Good luck to EADS (with BAE's help, for sure).
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The Naval LCA is a pipe dream and the aircraft of choice for new carriers coming into service is the Mig 29K Mikoyan MiG-29K - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not sure if they are interested in making the typhoon in a naval version as their only ski jump carrier is set to retire as soon as the new ones come in.
Also there seems to be no track record of western or soviet countries buying back licensed models of their aircraft produced by HAL in the past, so I doubt this would happen.
The Naval LCA is a pipe dream and the aircraft of choice for new carriers coming into service is the Mig 29K Mikoyan MiG-29K - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not sure if they are interested in making the typhoon in a naval version as their only ski jump carrier is set to retire as soon as the new ones come in.
Also there seems to be no track record of western or soviet countries buying back licensed models of their aircraft produced by HAL in the past, so I doubt this would happen.
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the Admiral Gorshkov/Vikramaditya is being fitted with a ski jump for STOBAR operations, as is also the new Vikrant
And theres a first time for anything. There'd be no point setting up two short-run assembly lines in both the UK and India. The Indians will want to build carrier-based planes themselves, and there seems to be no signs of the Russians licencing the MIG-29K anyway - which is only small-run production anyway
And theres a first time for anything. There'd be no point setting up two short-run assembly lines in both the UK and India. The Indians will want to build carrier-based planes themselves, and there seems to be no signs of the Russians licencing the MIG-29K anyway - which is only small-run production anyway
To add to James' last post, I've heard that there are significant problems with RSK MiG regarding the supply of not the Fulcrum-Ks but the spares and associated carrier-critical equipment (tow bars etc.) that comes with it. The IN wants to move away from Russian equipment ASAP, which is why so many destroyers and frigates are now wholly designed and built in India while submarines (France) and SAMs (Israel) come from other sources.
Those criticising the Tejas may have overlooked the fact that large swaths of data and test results were lost when the Indian government conducted the 1998 nuclear tests and the Tejas (then LCA) test team was kicked out of the US. They had been testing the software on the F-16XL in the mid-90s. So when they got back they had to write the software from scratch AND test it on a completely unknown airframe. In that context, the first flight was in less than three years. It's been ten years since and there have been 7-8 prototypes and thousands of hours (all weather, all envelope and weapon tests) of flight.
Contrast this to the Eurofighter Typh.... wait, wasn't it the 2000? Why was that name given, again? It took 8 years between the EAP and the first Typhoon prototype, and THEN it took ten years or so for induction. Your glass houses are lovely, now could you please stop tossing stones?
That said, I'm grateful for the lack of tech support jokes in this thread. Curry jokes are fine though
Those criticising the Tejas may have overlooked the fact that large swaths of data and test results were lost when the Indian government conducted the 1998 nuclear tests and the Tejas (then LCA) test team was kicked out of the US. They had been testing the software on the F-16XL in the mid-90s. So when they got back they had to write the software from scratch AND test it on a completely unknown airframe. In that context, the first flight was in less than three years. It's been ten years since and there have been 7-8 prototypes and thousands of hours (all weather, all envelope and weapon tests) of flight.
Contrast this to the Eurofighter Typh.... wait, wasn't it the 2000? Why was that name given, again? It took 8 years between the EAP and the first Typhoon prototype, and THEN it took ten years or so for induction. Your glass houses are lovely, now could you please stop tossing stones?
That said, I'm grateful for the lack of tech support jokes in this thread. Curry jokes are fine though
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Typhoon prototype
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"Typhoon prototype - No such thing existed "
Such pedantry. Thats because they weren't called Typhoons at the time but simply "Eurofighter" or the hopelessly optimistic "Eurofighter 2000".....
What year did they drop the 2000 tag?
As for "technical issues were not a part" thats hard to believe considering just about every other BAE Systems / BAe / GE major project in the last 30 years has come in late and seriously over budget.
Such pedantry. Thats because they weren't called Typhoons at the time but simply "Eurofighter" or the hopelessly optimistic "Eurofighter 2000".....
What year did they drop the 2000 tag?
As for "technical issues were not a part" thats hard to believe considering just about every other BAE Systems / BAe / GE major project in the last 30 years has come in late and seriously over budget.
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The BAE/HAL relationship goes back quite a while, around 50 years at least. Well before the Jaguar/Hawk deal HAL turned out almost 90 HS 748's under a licence manufacture deal. HAL have, over the years, gradually built a good platform to engage in work of this nature and also to move forward in enhancing design of an existing product.
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Will they need to keep their Typhoons in special hangers like the Gripens the poor Thais have lumbered themselves with? They'll regret not buying Russian.
The Thai procurement process is rather convoluted and actual requirement is secondary to any number of political and financial considerations; be assured that not all the "poor Thais" will come out of this poor !
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"Typhoon prototype - No such thing existed "
Such pedantry. Thats because they weren't called Typhoons at the time but simply "Eurofighter" or the hopelessly optimistic "Eurofighter 2000".....
What year did they drop the 2000 tag?
First EFA prototype flight, March '94
Production contract signed November '98, Aircraft dubbed "Typhoon".
First IPA delivered 2001. First Service Prod A/C delivered from January 2003.
Flash to bang; (or scribble to whoosh) 4 years 2 months.
Such pedantry. Thats because they weren't called Typhoons at the time but simply "Eurofighter" or the hopelessly optimistic "Eurofighter 2000".....
What year did they drop the 2000 tag?
First EFA prototype flight, March '94
Production contract signed November '98, Aircraft dubbed "Typhoon".
First IPA delivered 2001. First Service Prod A/C delivered from January 2003.
Flash to bang; (or scribble to whoosh) 4 years 2 months.
Typhoon began as Air Staff Target 403 in 1972. First eurofighter prototype flew in Mar 1994 and first production aircraft flew in 2003. First operational use for QRA in 2007 and first proper operation in 2011 - 39 years after the Air Staff Target!!!!
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