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IIP BINNED, sorry is anyone surprised?

Old 16th Feb 2011, 18:49
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IIP BINNED, sorry is anyone surprised?

It is only my humble interpretation of the opening sentence of the mighty email but it went something like:

Due to financial constraints we can no longer invest in our people!

It actually raised my morale a smidgen when I read it and thought "have they ever?"

I am sure someone far clever than me, (and more DII capable) can post the full email but please, never let the facts get in the way of a story!
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 20:33
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If this is any use, when I was investigating the 'Trainee Pilots Sacked' story, I was told that the IiP affiliation actually ceased (coincidentally) this month, February. I confirmed this with IiP, who told me that MoD no longer appears on their list of organisations.

You couldn't make it up, could you....

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Old 16th Feb 2011, 20:56
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This was covered on page one of the "Quarter of RAF Pilots to be Sacked" thread.

The text you want is ..


From the IiP page on the intranet.,

"In June 2010, 2nd PUS wrote out to TLBs explaining that due to financial and resource constraints all IiP activity should cease. This means that after February 2011, MOD will no longer be IiP accredited and the IiP logo should not be used on anything connected with MOD. "
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 20:57
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IiP was foisted on the MoD by that pratt Hestletine in an effort to make up numbers. I don't think for a minute that anyone actually BELIEVED in any of it, but it was convenient to "make it plain" that the MoD would play along as a government lap dog. Another set of stationery to buy then as the IiP logo will have to come off - I wonder how much that will cost? Politicians? - Up against the wall!
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 22:11
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Alison, don't forget all the plaques to be removed from walls too.

IiP was also part the the relevant CinCs resettlement and CV preparation. My boss, some 20 years ago, was well into Service Level Agreements and QA.

Ever tried to apply QA to a thought process?

Years later I was able to put SLAs to good use. We used to write to English Nature and often had to wait weeks for a reply if at all. Then I asked them what their SLA was - answer 20 days. Thereafter we always got a reply.

But in a military environment?
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 22:12
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The country is going 3rd world, Ethiopia will be having benefit concerts for the UK within 10 years.

All due to thatcher ruining industry, the lifeblood of any 'real' economy.

As Frankie Boyle says, "when the bitch dies, there will be a queue of people wanting to dig her grave and deliver her Satan personally".

Never a truer word said.
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 22:14
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You're correct; IiP was a government initiative of the day and Public Sector organisations were hurriedly encouraged to become compliant to encourage the Private Sector to do the same. At the time of IiP's introduction I could not see what the fuss was about as, at that time, we very much invested in our people (OK, perhaps not as well as we could) but we did. I was pinged to introduce IiP at sunny AKI in 97 and I recall OC Admin Wg giving his best Noel Coward impression when briefing me, "You'll deal with this as the educator as it's anathema to me dear boy." IiP was, and is, only a framework for training and development but the paper chase it generated was a chuffing joke (and a gopping plastic blue triangle). Very interested to see PUS's announcement last year which wasn't exactly trumpeted. Not surprising really as we have done f*all since.
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 22:31
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All due to thatcher ruining industry, the lifeblood of any 'real' economy.
WTF?

How was your 13 year holiday on Mars Pious?
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 22:45
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So IiP has gone the way of all BSBingo management fads. Are any still current in what's left of the RAF? Is LEAN still the saviour of the universe or am I showing my age and a few fads behind?
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 22:47
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One "word"...





















[email protected]
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 22:49
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IIP is, was and always will be utter b***cks.

Many an IIP consultant has grown fat on his/her fees whilst filling endless reams of garbage about some company or other that's needs the tick to win a public sector contract.

I was on the station team when IIP was initially introduced and I saw nothing in it that was not either common sense or stifling bureaucracy - and the RAF have been doing both those things well since 1918.

Years later I needed the tick for my company so I paid some dude two grand and two months later we were on the register with a plaque on wall.

Good riddance.
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Old 16th Feb 2011, 22:59
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Did the same myself, OFB. Somehow managed to get the tick in the box and plaque for my software house without 90% of the paperwork the RAF deemed necessary.

I seem to recall that in about '95 in some dark recesses and peripheral backwaters of the RAF, the last vestiges of a quaint old tradition called 'Leadership' desperately clung on; despite overwhelming attempts to stamp out the heresy, which rivalled Agricola's extirpation of Druidism.
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I have been out too long! I understood WTF and AKT.
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Old 17th Feb 2011, 07:10
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I have been out too long! I understood WTF and AKT
What The Fu*k

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Maybe An T meant he didn't understand '[email protected]', 'GPC' and 'RSOI'? How about '[email protected]'?
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Old 17th Feb 2011, 07:25
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So IIP is no longer important enough to spend the money on, but on the other hand..................

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Ministry of Defence | Defence News | Defence Policy and Business | RAF recognised as top lesbian, gay and bisexual employer
So that's allright then.
I'll bet the Navy and Army arn't 'alf jealous! So will the "force for good" be getting a new uniform? Pink trim perhaps?

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Old 17th Feb 2011, 08:54
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I refused to do the GPC test, all the mouse work gave me RSI. They still have me the card. So much red tape I chucked it in the safe.

Another consultancy milch cow is environment. We had Enviros and a retired colonel come around and did an environmental survey. Joke.

What they did was took the JSP, reformatted the pages, filled in a load of crap and got us to edit and populate it. They took our discs and then sent us a nice printed document. They did ask to come back and check but by then we had all had enough.

To my certain knwoledge it sat, unopened, on bookshelves for 3 years. Still it was a wonderful CYA exercise for the full Colonel that placed the contract with his mate.
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Old 17th Feb 2011, 09:19
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I'll Bite

All due to thatcher ruining industry, the lifeblood of any 'real' economy.
I am glad that the 34 year old who wrote this utter b*ll*x can remember the period 1974 - 1978 so well! I seem to remember that 3 day working weeks, power cuts and the "Winter of Discontent" happened before Mrs Thatcher's time. 1979 was a breath of fresh air (and yes, I was brought up in a mining village). I seem to remember that Scargill had something to do with ruining industry as he tried to cause anarchy in the streets with his red revolution which was the main aim of bringing "his" miners out out every conceivable oportunity. Fortunately, the right side won.
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Old 17th Feb 2011, 09:53
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I'll bite too

Is that the same Maggie who gave my grandparents a chance to own their own council house ?

And the same Maggie who ( thankfully ) took no [email protected] form either the miners or the Soviets ?

I love it when you get some whineing lefty, because deep down you know that no socialist will ever be able to compare to her




And she sorted out BA's tailfins - RESPECT !
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Old 17th Feb 2011, 09:58
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Hear Hear!

Well said wensleydale. I use to pop home on leave from Spadeadam to my parents home in Skelmanthorpe each weekend. Passed at least two pits every monday morning on the way into Wakefield to get the Train up to Carlisle, there they all were standing around their braziers. My Step Father, God rest him, worked, shall we say, with Scargill at one of the local Colliery's back in the day. He said work was something which he spent a lot of effort to avoid. Indeed, that effort was devoted to getting to where he finished up.

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Old 17th Feb 2011, 10:30
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Lady Thatcher

One thing Pious Pilot and his pseudo-leftie mates forget is that Mrs T and her government were democratically elected by the people, and in 1983 in particular with a massive majority. I can't be faffed to look up the figure!

Let me tell you a story about industry - I was told by someone who worked for MG at Abingdon ,that they used to build cars 24/7,but the night shift guys came to work with sleeping bags,got their heads down and at the end of their shift proceeded to start assembling cars on overtime. MG sold most of their sports cars to the US market,all at a huge loss. It could not go on, and didn't!

Mrs T was hugely respected around the world, because she was tough and not a pushover. The best PM of my lifetime.
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