Tornado down
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Just a pity they lost the No1 and No5 uniforms, Breitling watches and other personal items aicrew always carry on the aircraft just in case of a diversion.
Still, I'm the insurance company will be sympathetic.
Still, I'm the insurance company will be sympathetic.
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Perfectly good comment Nutloose, it's the CREWS that train in pairs not the individuals. A Tornado crew is 2 people so a pair of crews consists of 4 people and 2 aircraft.
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Too true. I am glad the crew did not have to swim for too long and were promptly in expert hands.
The media seemed to have ignored this story though; there is barely a mention in today's papers. I would have thought, given that MinAF was at Lossie at the time, it would have been a good excuse for a bit of MoD/HMT/HMG-bashing.
The media seemed to have ignored this story though; there is barely a mention in today's papers. I would have thought, given that MinAF was at Lossie at the time, it would have been a good excuse for a bit of MoD/HMT/HMG-bashing.
I can categorically state that this accident would not have happened if we still had the Nimrod. Or the GR9. Or more Chinooks. In fact, it is all down to Gordon Brown. Or carriers. SDSR is to blame. Fact.
Glad to see you both out in one piece guys - try to ignore the balls being written about you!
Glad to see you both out in one piece guys - try to ignore the balls being written about you!
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Choice of music
You want to question the choice of music that accompanies that video on the BBC?
1) To my non-technical ear it sounds more like other ambient music (from a car radio, perhaps?) rather than any dubbed-on soundtrack. Try listening to it again, that music is definitely directional.
2) WTF does it matter anyway? A totallly pointless comment. Wag your finger somewhere else.
3) Perhaps you should be questioning the pilots decision to fly so close to the buildings of innocent civilians when he has a sick jet?
I have no idea just where this video was taken from. Was this a possible approach to Stornoway?
The RAF and its glorious allies are responsible for too many smoking holes in the Scottish countryside - so far we have been lucky - no civilian deaths - so far. You still make a mess of our hills and waters far too often. While I am not going down the "narrowly missed the orphanage" route, just cos its sparsely populated doesn't mean its UNpopulated.
4) Want to go and play at fast jets? Do it in the Falklands, at least you are still (sort of) welcome there. The RAF want to shut airbases in Scotland? Don't expect to come up here with your noisy toys and expect to be welcome. And before you give me this spiel about "practising to save lives in Afghanistan", yadda yadda yadda, we were never asked if we wanted to go play at imperialists in Afghanistan (or Iraq). Your pathetic attempts to crawl to the Yanks have made us much more vulnerable, not safer. Ask anyone who was on a bus in London a few years back or tried to go on holiday from Glasgow airport.
PS in spite of the above, I AM genuinely glad the crew got out OK. I hope they appreciate the service they got from the NHS at Raigmore. Maybe they will note how the NHS works a whole lot better in Scotland than down south. Lucky they didn't have to rely on BUPA as the English Tories and LibDems would have us do, eh?
PPS will you be lifting the wreck and doing anything to sort out the marine pollution it has caused?
1) To my non-technical ear it sounds more like other ambient music (from a car radio, perhaps?) rather than any dubbed-on soundtrack. Try listening to it again, that music is definitely directional.
2) WTF does it matter anyway? A totallly pointless comment. Wag your finger somewhere else.
3) Perhaps you should be questioning the pilots decision to fly so close to the buildings of innocent civilians when he has a sick jet?
I have no idea just where this video was taken from. Was this a possible approach to Stornoway?
The RAF and its glorious allies are responsible for too many smoking holes in the Scottish countryside - so far we have been lucky - no civilian deaths - so far. You still make a mess of our hills and waters far too often. While I am not going down the "narrowly missed the orphanage" route, just cos its sparsely populated doesn't mean its UNpopulated.
4) Want to go and play at fast jets? Do it in the Falklands, at least you are still (sort of) welcome there. The RAF want to shut airbases in Scotland? Don't expect to come up here with your noisy toys and expect to be welcome. And before you give me this spiel about "practising to save lives in Afghanistan", yadda yadda yadda, we were never asked if we wanted to go play at imperialists in Afghanistan (or Iraq). Your pathetic attempts to crawl to the Yanks have made us much more vulnerable, not safer. Ask anyone who was on a bus in London a few years back or tried to go on holiday from Glasgow airport.
PS in spite of the above, I AM genuinely glad the crew got out OK. I hope they appreciate the service they got from the NHS at Raigmore. Maybe they will note how the NHS works a whole lot better in Scotland than down south. Lucky they didn't have to rely on BUPA as the English Tories and LibDems would have us do, eh?
PPS will you be lifting the wreck and doing anything to sort out the marine pollution it has caused?
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You want to question the choice of music that accompanies that video on the BBC?
1) To my non-technical ear it sounds more like other ambient music (from a car radio, perhaps?) rather than any dubbed-on soundtrack. Try listening to it again, that music is definitely directional.
2) WTF does it matter anyway? A totallly pointless comment. Wag your finger somewhere else.
3) Perhaps you should be questioning the pilots decision to fly so close to the buildings of innocent civilians when he has a sick jet?
I have no idea just where this video was taken from. Was this a possible approach to Stornoway?
The RAF and its glorious allies are responsible for too many smoking holes in the Scottish countryside - so far we have been lucky - no civilian deaths - so far. You still make a mess of our hills and waters far too often. While I am not going down the "narrowly missed the orphanage" route, just cos its sparsely populated doesn't mean its UNpopulated.
4) Want to go and play at fast jets? Do it in the Falklands, at least you are still (sort of) welcome there. The RAF want to shut airbases in Scotland? Don't expect to come up here with your noisy toys and expect to be welcome. And before you give me this spiel about "practising to save lives in Afghanistan", yadda yadda yadda, we were never asked if we wanted to go play at imperialists in Afghanistan (or Iraq). Your pathetic attempts to crawl to the Yanks have made us much more vulnerable, not safer. Ask anyone who was on a bus in London a few years back or tried to go on holiday from Glasgow airport.
PS in spite of the above, I AM genuinely glad the crew got out OK. I hope they appreciate the service they got from the NHS at Raigmore. Maybe they will note how the NHS works a whole lot better in Scotland than down south. Lucky they didn't have to rely on BUPA as the English Tories and LibDems would have us do, eh?
PPS will you be lifting the wreck and doing anything to sort out the marine pollution it has caused?
1) To my non-technical ear it sounds more like other ambient music (from a car radio, perhaps?) rather than any dubbed-on soundtrack. Try listening to it again, that music is definitely directional.
2) WTF does it matter anyway? A totallly pointless comment. Wag your finger somewhere else.
3) Perhaps you should be questioning the pilots decision to fly so close to the buildings of innocent civilians when he has a sick jet?
I have no idea just where this video was taken from. Was this a possible approach to Stornoway?
The RAF and its glorious allies are responsible for too many smoking holes in the Scottish countryside - so far we have been lucky - no civilian deaths - so far. You still make a mess of our hills and waters far too often. While I am not going down the "narrowly missed the orphanage" route, just cos its sparsely populated doesn't mean its UNpopulated.
4) Want to go and play at fast jets? Do it in the Falklands, at least you are still (sort of) welcome there. The RAF want to shut airbases in Scotland? Don't expect to come up here with your noisy toys and expect to be welcome. And before you give me this spiel about "practising to save lives in Afghanistan", yadda yadda yadda, we were never asked if we wanted to go play at imperialists in Afghanistan (or Iraq). Your pathetic attempts to crawl to the Yanks have made us much more vulnerable, not safer. Ask anyone who was on a bus in London a few years back or tried to go on holiday from Glasgow airport.
PS in spite of the above, I AM genuinely glad the crew got out OK. I hope they appreciate the service they got from the NHS at Raigmore. Maybe they will note how the NHS works a whole lot better in Scotland than down south. Lucky they didn't have to rely on BUPA as the English Tories and LibDems would have us do, eh?
PPS will you be lifting the wreck and doing anything to sort out the marine pollution it has caused?
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piesupper,
I fully agree with your comments regarding Raigmore - Mrs D'Sorderlee works there. For your information, the wreck will be removed - I believe that a vessel is already on the way - and, as far as possible - it is in the sea after all - the pollution issue will be resolved. As for your rant about imperialist blah; perhaps you should be venting your spleen at the democratically elected Government (and the one that replaced them) that has determined the policy in the ME rather than the members of an internet forum.
Duncs
I fully agree with your comments regarding Raigmore - Mrs D'Sorderlee works there. For your information, the wreck will be removed - I believe that a vessel is already on the way - and, as far as possible - it is in the sea after all - the pollution issue will be resolved. As for your rant about imperialist blah; perhaps you should be venting your spleen at the democratically elected Government (and the one that replaced them) that has determined the policy in the ME rather than the members of an internet forum.
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Is that it?
Is that all you have to say?
It wasn't YOUR nephew and mates who were fishing in the area and could have been hit by the wreckage. As it was they were a couple of miles away. Still close enough. They may even have the first to get a call in for assistance for all you know, monkey boy.
But they are only civilians, what do they matter?
Only the ones who pay taxes so you lot have the luxury to annoy the rest of us.
We're just "collateral"
As the Welsh guy said, "Piss off, Biggles"
Is that all you have to say?
It wasn't YOUR nephew and mates who were fishing in the area and could have been hit by the wreckage. As it was they were a couple of miles away. Still close enough. They may even have the first to get a call in for assistance for all you know, monkey boy.
But they are only civilians, what do they matter?
Only the ones who pay taxes so you lot have the luxury to annoy the rest of us.
We're just "collateral"
As the Welsh guy said, "Piss off, Biggles"
Piesupper.
You really are a pompous idiot. Have you actually spoken to anyone senior in the RAF on what their base closure options would be? I guarantee it wouldn't be to close them - they offer opportunities that some of the bases in England do not. It is the govt that will force these decisions - the govt your Scottish leader is part of (whether you like it or not). As is usually the case when base closure is mentioned, the locals suddenly rally round saying don't close it when for years they have been whining about the noise/english/military presence/blah.
I can guarantee that any GR4 crew (and any RAF crew) would make every possible effort to steer a doomed jet away from anything that might cause damage. Amazingly enough hillsides always do better than the jet in a fight, so a bit of a clean up and you don't know it's been there. Video is a view through a straw, it doesn't show you the wider picture.
Wind your neck in and be glad we don't have 2 fatalities.
Getting off my soap box now.
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You really are a pompous idiot. Have you actually spoken to anyone senior in the RAF on what their base closure options would be? I guarantee it wouldn't be to close them - they offer opportunities that some of the bases in England do not. It is the govt that will force these decisions - the govt your Scottish leader is part of (whether you like it or not). As is usually the case when base closure is mentioned, the locals suddenly rally round saying don't close it when for years they have been whining about the noise/english/military presence/blah.
I can guarantee that any GR4 crew (and any RAF crew) would make every possible effort to steer a doomed jet away from anything that might cause damage. Amazingly enough hillsides always do better than the jet in a fight, so a bit of a clean up and you don't know it's been there. Video is a view through a straw, it doesn't show you the wider picture.
Wind your neck in and be glad we don't have 2 fatalities.
Getting off my soap box now.
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Just a pity they lost the No1 and No5 uniforms, Breitling watches and other personal items aicrew always carry on the aircraft just in case of a diversion.
Well, at least they will have a Goldfish Club tie to wear....
Jack
Well, at least they will have a Goldfish Club tie to wear....
Jack
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It wasn't YOUR nephew and mates who were fishing in the area and could have been hit by the wreckage. As it was they were a couple of miles away. Still close enough. They may even have the first to get a call in for assistance for all you know, monkey boy.
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Piesupper
You are quite right.
However, nor was my nephew in the Edinburgh hospital that had its snow cleared by the military to enable essential access because the local authority lacked the ability.
Nor was my nephew one of the several Scottish people I spent numerous hours of my life looking for as RAF and RN Search and Rescue assets support Scottish civil authorities.
Nor was my nephew one of the Scottish people that my team administered life saving first aid to while waiting for the Scottish Ambulance Service to arrive.
Nor is my nephew a Scottish student PPL who, no doubt, flies in airspace covered by ScATCC(Mil) or could need to use the Service of the (military manned) D&D Cell.
Nor is my nephew one of the 20% of the adult population of Morayshire whose employment is provided as a direct result of the RAF's presence in the area...
It wasn't YOUR nephew and mates who were fishing in the area and could have been hit by the wreckage.
However, nor was my nephew in the Edinburgh hospital that had its snow cleared by the military to enable essential access because the local authority lacked the ability.
Nor was my nephew one of the several Scottish people I spent numerous hours of my life looking for as RAF and RN Search and Rescue assets support Scottish civil authorities.
Nor was my nephew one of the Scottish people that my team administered life saving first aid to while waiting for the Scottish Ambulance Service to arrive.
Nor is my nephew a Scottish student PPL who, no doubt, flies in airspace covered by ScATCC(Mil) or could need to use the Service of the (military manned) D&D Cell.
Nor is my nephew one of the 20% of the adult population of Morayshire whose employment is provided as a direct result of the RAF's presence in the area...
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