RAF Redundancies
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Just wondering who does the sifting and boarding? Reverse promotion board for non-applicants?, or is that not permitted?
For those that have an ATPL in their back pocket or about to, I suspect that there could be a mass exodus soon. The suspension of the military accreditation scheme for ATPL/CPL will probably mean lots of guys/galls being forced into getting their licence earlier than they planned to. They'd be mad not to, after all.
And with the likes of Jet2 actively recruiting (and focussed at the military brethren) I think most would be daft not to have a look/see at least.
You only have to look at the website Pilot Jobs Network - for students of pilot schools and experienced airline pilots to see that the attitude to recruitment amongst many UK airlines is positive whereas not so long ago it was distinctly negative.
The net result will most likely leave the RAF undermanned as any experience is cashed in for an civil licence, and those currently in the training system being tossed aside to save money. All looks pretty short-sighted to me.
For those that have an ATPL in their back pocket or about to, I suspect that there could be a mass exodus soon. The suspension of the military accreditation scheme for ATPL/CPL will probably mean lots of guys/galls being forced into getting their licence earlier than they planned to. They'd be mad not to, after all.
And with the likes of Jet2 actively recruiting (and focussed at the military brethren) I think most would be daft not to have a look/see at least.
You only have to look at the website Pilot Jobs Network - for students of pilot schools and experienced airline pilots to see that the attitude to recruitment amongst many UK airlines is positive whereas not so long ago it was distinctly negative.
The net result will most likely leave the RAF undermanned as any experience is cashed in for an civil licence, and those currently in the training system being tossed aside to save money. All looks pretty short-sighted to me.
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Do remember you are not talking just Pilots or just Maritime aircrew but dozens of redundant tradesmen too.
It is too easy to focus on the TWMR and forget the rest.
It is too easy to focus on the TWMR and forget the rest.
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Do remember you are not talking just Pilots or just Maritime aircrew but dozens of redundant tradesmen too.
It is too easy to focus on the TWMR and forget the rest.
It is too easy to focus on the TWMR and forget the rest.
I do not intend to ignore the others; hope that was not implied.
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The problem with 'slicing off the side of the pyramid' is that the pyramid tends to collapse. Far better to remove from the top and work down!!
It will be interesting to see the final pyramid after all the changes. Will it be the same height or even taller? Are VSO's down to Wg Cdr liable for compulsory redundancy by the same percentage as everyone else?
Interesting to see how CAS' goal of all 3 tranches to be anounced in time for everyone (who wants to) leave prior to the big 1 Apr 13 date, will work out. Will there be a bunch of compulsory redundees being told in the summer of 2012 that they have to leave, regardless of wishes in the summer of 2013 and therefore have no option other than the 3 months payout (for those on the 75 scheme)?
Just This Once - you appear to be in the know. Any answers to Tranches 2 and 3?
Interesting to see how CAS' goal of all 3 tranches to be anounced in time for everyone (who wants to) leave prior to the big 1 Apr 13 date, will work out. Will there be a bunch of compulsory redundees being told in the summer of 2012 that they have to leave, regardless of wishes in the summer of 2013 and therefore have no option other than the 3 months payout (for those on the 75 scheme)?
Just This Once - you appear to be in the know. Any answers to Tranches 2 and 3?
Certainly in the RN our Officer structure is being reduced in line with the number of Ratings going. There is a significant problem with Lt Cdrs and Cdrs who are in comfy jobs with 10+ years remaining on their commission, whilst Lt RN and Lt Cdr pile up beneath them.....
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I know the demise of the GD Branch has hacked off a number of very bright and capables in the non-Aircrew Branches, who see protectionism at the top from the TWMR.
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The RAF had a similar 'pyramid' with Eng Os in 1990. The numbers for JOs to sqn ldrs was about equal at 842 each. Not too bad on stations but way more in staff appointment, although with sqns having one JEngO and one SEngO it was not a true pyramid even there.
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If we truly "slice the side off the pyramid", then the apex is lower. But we never do that. The RAF I joined was something like 150 000 strong - and was run by a 4* CAS.
We are shortly heading somewhere South of 35 000 - with a 4* CAS! Just how small do we have to be to lose a rank at the top ....
...... or anywhere else for that matter. At a rough count,from AC to 4* we have a total of 18 ranks (not including Rock LCpls). The Met Police - who have about 35 000 in uniform - manage with a total of 11 ranks, from Constable to Commissioner. And that's 2 more ranks than most forces,who seem to manage with 9. Do we really need twice as many ranks .......
We are shortly heading somewhere South of 35 000 - with a 4* CAS! Just how small do we have to be to lose a rank at the top ....
...... or anywhere else for that matter. At a rough count,from AC to 4* we have a total of 18 ranks (not including Rock LCpls). The Met Police - who have about 35 000 in uniform - manage with a total of 11 ranks, from Constable to Commissioner. And that's 2 more ranks than most forces,who seem to manage with 9. Do we really need twice as many ranks .......
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TH, the police seem to have managed to unlink rank and pay with a PC earning a similar wage to a military sergeant and a sqn ldr earning less than an inspector.
Obviously these are up tos but it shows that the lowest police rank covers AC, LAC, SAC, Cpl as well. Now if ORs were assured the pay . . .
Obviously these are up tos but it shows that the lowest police rank covers AC, LAC, SAC, Cpl as well. Now if ORs were assured the pay . . .
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Good luck to you all whatever happens, the downside of it all is that unlike previous "downsizing," in a recession there are few places available, my sisters lad has completed all of his Engineering Licence courses, but is simply unable to get a placement anywhere for the period required to issue the licence, the industry is at rock bottom at the moment and one fears that the people coming out will find it hard going. If you can, I would try and stay put!!
Original RAF target is for 850 personnel in Tranche 1 but there is an intent to bring some from Tranche 2 & 3 forward to avoid the final Tranche 3 non-applicants being dismissed post 1 Apr 13 (when the AFPS 75 brigade have the SCP reduced to 3 months (vice 9 months) basic pay).
Interesting to see how CAS' goal of all 3 tranches to be anounced in time for everyone (who wants to) leave prior to the big 1 Apr 13 date, will work out. Will there be a bunch of compulsory redundees being told in the summer of 2012 that they have to leave, regardless of wishes in the summer of 2013 and therefore have no option other than the 3 months payout (for those on the 75 scheme)?
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RAF Reduncaies
The information note will be relased on 1 Feb 11 with the full target population announced on 1 Mar 11. First announcement of who is to be made redundant is likely to be 1 Sep 11. All of this has been previously published
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If the above is correct, I suspect it would be a relief to many but your comment is the first occasion I have heard this said. Can you put any meat on the bones or is it just anecdotal rumour?
Cheers, PA
I thought that it had been agreed by the Treasury that as Tranche 2 and 3 are all part of the same single redundancy scheme all 3 tranches would be treated the same in respect to redundancy pay regardless of date of redundancy.
If the above is correct, I suspect it would be a relief to many but your comment is the first occasion I have heard this said. Can you put any meat on the bones or is it just anecdotal rumour?
Cheers, PA
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That is incredibly useful - thank you. So the only serious question to still be answered is: Will those dismissed in Tranche 3, leaving on 31 Aug 13 receive 9 months or 3 months redundancy pay, if they are on AFPS 75?
Further question: As we are talking pay, is it correct to assume that FP is accounted for in the redundancy payout?
All genuine replies appreciated.....
That is incredibly useful - thank you. So the only serious question to still be answered is: Will those dismissed in Tranche 3, leaving on 31 Aug 13 receive 9 months or 3 months redundancy pay, if they are on AFPS 75?
Further question: As we are talking pay, is it correct to assume that FP is accounted for in the redundancy payout?
All genuine replies appreciated.....
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WSOs have been, or will be, told that the aim is for the redundancies to be completed at tranche 2 if possible. The reasoning (on the pp brief) was not mentioned...
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We were told by manning that Tranche 3 if it goes ahead will get the same benefits as Tranche 1 & 2. The reason behind this is the simple fact the Air Force want rid of 5000 people in 3 tranches , so everyone will get treated equally.
It was in discussion with the bean counters but it sounded pretty certain that this will be the case.
It was in discussion with the bean counters but it sounded pretty certain that this will be the case.