New Falklands War Brewing
Mind you, they still have (just) "The Pride of the Argentine Navy"...
Pride of Argentine navy back home after debt tussle - FRANCE 24
What sort of regime has a flypast to welcome home a ship that was almost repossessed? Would almost be sad if it wasn't quite so funny.
Pride of Argentine navy back home after debt tussle - FRANCE 24
What sort of regime has a flypast to welcome home a ship that was almost repossessed? Would almost be sad if it wasn't quite so funny.
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''What sort of regime has a flypast to welcome home a ship that was almost repossessed? Would almost be sad if it wasn't quite so funny.''
Captivep, the kind of regime that holds a flypast for a ship that was almost reposessed is likely to be bombastic, unpredictable, and probably delusional.
i'm certainly not going to forgo a good giggle at the plastic ones expense - but conversely i'm not going to assume that she'll do nothing to attempt to expunge this humiliation, or that she won't try to blame us for it and ramp up the tension. its all very funny, but if she publicly blames us she's accusing us of a act of war - which is what sinking a warship is - at which point the whole thing will become very unfunny indeed.
Captivep, the kind of regime that holds a flypast for a ship that was almost reposessed is likely to be bombastic, unpredictable, and probably delusional.
i'm certainly not going to forgo a good giggle at the plastic ones expense - but conversely i'm not going to assume that she'll do nothing to attempt to expunge this humiliation, or that she won't try to blame us for it and ramp up the tension. its all very funny, but if she publicly blames us she's accusing us of a act of war - which is what sinking a warship is - at which point the whole thing will become very unfunny indeed.
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Argentine destroyer that led war against Britain sinks, a symbol of decay for once-proud navy
Santisima Trinidad lies on its side at the naval base in Puerto Belgrano, . . . The government is seeking an explanation from the partial sinking of the Navy destroyer . . . At present the sandy bottom in the shallow water is preventing its total collapse
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cokecan - good and fair point.
Although I hope that there might be some rational people in Argentina who could figure out that, if we were going to sabotage a ship, it's unlikely to be one that hasn't put to sea for over twenty years (according to Wikipedia)...
Although I hope that there might be some rational people in Argentina who could figure out that, if we were going to sabotage a ship, it's unlikely to be one that hasn't put to sea for over twenty years (according to Wikipedia)...
Captivep, there are lots of rational people in Argentina, its just that none of them are currently President of Argentina, or Commander in Chief of Argentinas Armed Forces, or responsible for setting Argentinas foreign policy.
this is the government that not only accuses the UK of sending an SSBN to the FI, but is actually delusional enough to believe that a) its true, and b) they they'd know about it if we did.
rationality - our rationality - has very little place in what that nutfest does.
this is the government that not only accuses the UK of sending an SSBN to the FI, but is actually delusional enough to believe that a) its true, and b) they they'd know about it if we did.
rationality - our rationality - has very little place in what that nutfest does.
Off thread but their must be lots of Navy types who would now this. The starboard propellor appears to go clockwise looking from astern. Are propellors on twin screw vessels 'handed' in the same way as the propellors were handed on the DH Hornet and P38, or do they both go the same way?
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I reckon we should unilaterally offer them 33% of the oil buisness, exploration development, production, the lot.
When the current incumbent government turn it down that is the cue for a second revolution of people power, the fruit and nut cases "disappear" once and for all and the new open, transparent populist regime and people are forever grateful to the UK and the Falkland Islanders for showing them a path from the pit of despair that they are currently locked into.
We could call it "The Pampas Spring"....
eat yer heart out George Lucas
When the current incumbent government turn it down that is the cue for a second revolution of people power, the fruit and nut cases "disappear" once and for all and the new open, transparent populist regime and people are forever grateful to the UK and the Falkland Islanders for showing them a path from the pit of despair that they are currently locked into.
We could call it "The Pampas Spring"....
eat yer heart out George Lucas
Are propellors on twin screw vessels 'handed' in the same way as the propellors were handed on the DH Hornet and P38, or do they both go the same way?
*Often called the paddle wheel effect, although it's a bit more complicated than that.
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FED, here is a picture of the QE2 showing the propellers are indeed handed.
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Given that she could do over 30kts and has two 5-blade variable pitch you can see why the Chinese would have been interested as their carrier has only 4 blade-fixed.
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Given that she could do over 30kts and has two 5-blade variable pitch you can see why the Chinese would have been interested as their carrier has only 4 blade-fixed.
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According to yesterday's current bun a company called Borders and Southern Petroleum have found viable oil & gas reserves to the south of the islands. It's just a rumour in a comic though...
...but with nothing to fly from it, why would you want to?
Getting oil out of the ground is expensive, but the returns are HUGE. Especially as other reserves run out and the price of oil continues to rise.
Getting oil out of the ground is expensive, but the returns are HUGE. Especially as other reserves run out and the price of oil continues to rise.
And this morning we hear that Argentina will not meet with the Foreign Secretary to discuss the future of the Falkland Islands because some islanders were going to be present at the meeting. I know many of you will have seen this, I post this for the benefit of those outside the UK where it may not be big news.
Argentina's foreign minister has turned down a Foreign Office invitation to meet members of the Falkland Islands government in London next week.
Hector Timerman rejected the offer, saying: "The international community does not recognise a third party in this dispute."
So no interest in what the islanders think about their future. That says a lot.
Apparently the Foreign Office is considering a response. My suggestion would be, "You wanted to talk about it, we offered you the chance, you turned it down, end of negotiations, move on."
[EDIT] Sorry I forgot to add the link. BBC News - Argentina declines invitation to Falklands meeting
Argentina's foreign minister has turned down a Foreign Office invitation to meet members of the Falkland Islands government in London next week.
Hector Timerman rejected the offer, saying: "The international community does not recognise a third party in this dispute."
So no interest in what the islanders think about their future. That says a lot.
Apparently the Foreign Office is considering a response. My suggestion would be, "You wanted to talk about it, we offered you the chance, you turned it down, end of negotiations, move on."
[EDIT] Sorry I forgot to add the link. BBC News - Argentina declines invitation to Falklands meeting
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If the future of your country rested upon a meeting, would you not take an interest - especially after previous hostile attempts had failed.
Of course the islanders were going to have interest in the meeting.
Correct in thinking that as the Argentine contingent pulled out of the meeting, it should be game over - end of story, move on
Of course the islanders were going to have interest in the meeting.
Correct in thinking that as the Argentine contingent pulled out of the meeting, it should be game over - end of story, move on
Mr Timmerman has made a bit of a fool of himself (although, given his government's position, he presumably had no choice).
He's confirming that Argentina has no interest in what the islanders want and, in so doing, that the principle of self-determination (enshrined in UN policy on these areas) is something Argentina doesn't support. Once the referendum is done, the UK should go back to the UN for a new resolution telling the Argies to foxtrot oscar (assuming that the Falklanders vote to stay with us) on the basis of (a) the historical evidence of peaceful settlement for so long and (b) the freely expressed will of the people who live in the disputed territory.
Incidentally, one of the oddest things I've ever seen was in the museum in Stanley. There are Argentine propaganda leaflets, distributed after the invasion in April 1982, calling upon the islanders to rejoice in their liberation from the colonial oppressors.
I've often wondered whether that showed a delusional belief that the kelpers really were under the British heel. Hard to believe, but then hard to think of another reason for them!
He's confirming that Argentina has no interest in what the islanders want and, in so doing, that the principle of self-determination (enshrined in UN policy on these areas) is something Argentina doesn't support. Once the referendum is done, the UK should go back to the UN for a new resolution telling the Argies to foxtrot oscar (assuming that the Falklanders vote to stay with us) on the basis of (a) the historical evidence of peaceful settlement for so long and (b) the freely expressed will of the people who live in the disputed territory.
Incidentally, one of the oddest things I've ever seen was in the museum in Stanley. There are Argentine propaganda leaflets, distributed after the invasion in April 1982, calling upon the islanders to rejoice in their liberation from the colonial oppressors.
I've often wondered whether that showed a delusional belief that the kelpers really were under the British heel. Hard to believe, but then hard to think of another reason for them!
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Rockall is Danish too.
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The Falklanders are totally dependent on the UK government. There's no economy that is self-sustaining by todays standards. Forget the maybe-oil-decoys.
Immigration rules to the Falklands are probably one of the most unwelcome for any non UK immigrant in existence.
I am not for or against the Argentine claims, but the UK's protection of the peoples holy rights on self determination seems cherry picked (The United Nations and Decolonization) and selective (BBC News - Mass protests as Hong Kong marks 15 years under China).
Asking these people if they want to get disconnected from the UK is like asking a drowning person if he wants to sell his life jacket. And everybody knows.
I would be pragmatic and offer all the Falklands a better house/ job somewhere in the beautiful roomy UK and make a deal for those that want to stay. The youngster move out anyway.
Immigration rules to the Falklands are probably one of the most unwelcome for any non UK immigrant in existence.
I am not for or against the Argentine claims, but the UK's protection of the peoples holy rights on self determination seems cherry picked (The United Nations and Decolonization) and selective (BBC News - Mass protests as Hong Kong marks 15 years under China).
Asking these people if they want to get disconnected from the UK is like asking a drowning person if he wants to sell his life jacket. And everybody knows.
I would be pragmatic and offer all the Falklands a better house/ job somewhere in the beautiful roomy UK and make a deal for those that want to stay. The youngster move out anyway.
Oh dear. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The islands make money from sheep, tourism and fishing licences (£15-25 million a year). Sorry if you don't like their immigration rules. As for self-detemination, wait until next month and all will become clear - in case it isn't clear enough already.
The vast majority of the population (in fact every islander I've ever spoken to) want to live in the Falkland Islands. It's their home. Many move from the UK to the Islands. They don't want to be moved back here.
I would be pragmatic and offer all the Falklands a better house/ job somewhere in the beautiful roomy UK and make a deal for those that want to stay.