New Falklands War Brewing
Whenurhappy,
I agree. Poorly researched and made him look like a numpty. The researcher simply lifted the Taurus image from Wiki. If he/she had scrolled down then they would have found out who operates Taurus. Certainly not the UK.
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The video is not translated, but shows the power point.
I agree. Poorly researched and made him look like a numpty. The researcher simply lifted the Taurus image from Wiki. If he/she had scrolled down then they would have found out who operates Taurus. Certainly not the UK.
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The video is not translated, but shows the power point.
CC, the image of the iraqi WMD briefing to the SC did spring to mind...
I see that the FCO have half-heartedly tried to correct the briefing, but as it stands, the FORMIN effectively admitted that Argentina, along with other countries couldn't match Britain's new-found Military might in the SA, hence running, snivelling, to the SecGen. Made us look quite strong, that did!
I see that the FCO have half-heartedly tried to correct the briefing, but as it stands, the FORMIN effectively admitted that Argentina, along with other countries couldn't match Britain's new-found Military might in the SA, hence running, snivelling, to the SecGen. Made us look quite strong, that did!
As a matter of interest, if 'the balloon went up' and the UK needed to get additional Typhoons down there for support quickly, what would be their flight time and where would they refuel en route?
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I don't think anyone else will give you a truthful answer, so here's the facts.
The first eight could be delivered fairly quickly from storage at Ascension. Theres a batch of early build airframes in storage there, they keep nicely in the dry weather. They just need mating up with their pilots and a couple of tankers to relay them down to Mount Pleasant
After that things become harder as the tankers will be needed for more urgent duties, so any second wave will have to come from the UK and routed overland as much as possible. Favoured route is Gib>Azores>Lajes>Buenos Aires and then down the east coast with a final refuel stop at Ria Gallegos and then east to the Falklands. Shoudn't take more than a week or so.
Ask a stupid fcuking question....
I don't think anyone else will give you a truthful answer, so here's the facts.
The first eight could be delivered fairly quickly from storage at Ascension. Theres a batch of early build airframes in storage there, they keep nicely in the dry weather. They just need mating up with their pilots and a couple of tankers to relay them down to Mount Pleasant
After that things become harder as the tankers will be needed for more urgent duties, so any second wave will have to come from the UK and routed overland as much as possible. Favoured route is Gib>Azores>Lajes>Buenos Aires and then down the east coast with a final refuel stop at Ria Gallegos and then east to the Falklands. Shoudn't take more than a week or so.
Ask a stupid fcuking question....
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Favoured route is Gib>Azores>Lajes>Buenos Aires and then down the east coast with a final refuel stop at Ria Gallegos and then east to the Falklands.
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Musing in the bath this morning, a couple of thoughts arrived
First - is the T45 test radar still fitted on the Longbow trials barge? If so, why not tow that down to the Falklands and anchor it somewhere suitable? Cheaper than keeping a T45 down there permanantly. Or better bet, could it be mounted on a hilltop on West Falkand? (The radar - not the barge...)
Second - I wonder if an application of Gerald Bull's supergun technology would work here.? Run a couple up the side of some hills on West Falkland, one pointing west, one northwest and despite facing the "wrong" way to get help from the earth's rotation, with terminal guidance much of Argentina would still be within range of a 500kg shell.
Shame all those barrel and breech block sections were cut up....The plans exist, I wonder how much Sheffield Forgemasters would charge for a repeat job?
First - is the T45 test radar still fitted on the Longbow trials barge? If so, why not tow that down to the Falklands and anchor it somewhere suitable? Cheaper than keeping a T45 down there permanantly. Or better bet, could it be mounted on a hilltop on West Falkand? (The radar - not the barge...)
Second - I wonder if an application of Gerald Bull's supergun technology would work here.? Run a couple up the side of some hills on West Falkland, one pointing west, one northwest and despite facing the "wrong" way to get help from the earth's rotation, with terminal guidance much of Argentina would still be within range of a 500kg shell.
Shame all those barrel and breech block sections were cut up....The plans exist, I wonder how much Sheffield Forgemasters would charge for a repeat job?
Ahh, supergun technology. Real problems with projectile stability and it would be an offensive capability that Argentina could object about!
So a good idea.
Although Argentina seems to be doing a good job of garnering regional support for its claims, the UK has solid legal grounds for it to remain British territory for 'as long as the inhabitants wish it to be'. And Argentina has scant military capability to take and hold the territories.
So a good idea.
Although Argentina seems to be doing a good job of garnering regional support for its claims, the UK has solid legal grounds for it to remain British territory for 'as long as the inhabitants wish it to be'. And Argentina has scant military capability to take and hold the territories.
Good grief that was some Friday night on Pprune! Friday night obviously brings out the nutters, the fantasy merchants and the good old fashioned jingoistic rah rah flag wavers. Some of you people need to get a social life or get laid more on a Friday.
Thankfully there seems to be a more reasoned sort back on here today.
What on earth would be the point of all this jingoistic flag waving, military posturing and offensive messages sent to the Argentines and telling people to F*** Off?
There appears to be no stomach for military action from the Argentinian people and very little concrete support for such from her neighbours.
You start getting all offensive, objectionable and aggressive down there and you see how quickly that would change.
It would also make the UK look extremely silly in the eyes of the rest of the world.
It would make us look like the ridiculous ex-colonialist aggressors that we in fact would be.
While there is absolutely NO doubt that it is the wishes of the Falkland Islanders themselves that should be paramount, and the UN supports this in its policy of self-determinatioin, any ramping up of the military presence and ridiculous aggressive willy waving, as proposed by those on here Friday night, would just attract attention to the fact that the Falklands is one of the few remaining territories still posessed by the UK, and is an anachronistic throw back to a rather embarrassing period in our history when we Europeans thought it acceptable to wander the globe in smash and grab raids claiming other peoples countries as our own.
Thankfully there seems to be a more reasoned sort back on here today.
What on earth would be the point of all this jingoistic flag waving, military posturing and offensive messages sent to the Argentines and telling people to F*** Off?
There appears to be no stomach for military action from the Argentinian people and very little concrete support for such from her neighbours.
You start getting all offensive, objectionable and aggressive down there and you see how quickly that would change.
It would also make the UK look extremely silly in the eyes of the rest of the world.
It would make us look like the ridiculous ex-colonialist aggressors that we in fact would be.
While there is absolutely NO doubt that it is the wishes of the Falkland Islanders themselves that should be paramount, and the UN supports this in its policy of self-determinatioin, any ramping up of the military presence and ridiculous aggressive willy waving, as proposed by those on here Friday night, would just attract attention to the fact that the Falklands is one of the few remaining territories still posessed by the UK, and is an anachronistic throw back to a rather embarrassing period in our history when we Europeans thought it acceptable to wander the globe in smash and grab raids claiming other peoples countries as our own.
Milo Mindbender,
Really?
Then you have obviously misread my post or never read a single word written or spoken by Neville Chamberlain!
Where do I mention "appeasement?" Where do I mention "allowing zones of influence" Where do I mention "countries far far away of which we know little"?
I am not saying that we should withdraw from the Falkland Islands, I am not saying that we should have no military presence, I am not saying that we shouldn't maintain an adequate military capability down South and that if there are aggressive military moves by Argentina then we shouldn't counter them.
The fact that there is British presence in the South Atlantic is an anachronistic hangover from a previous era. Nevertheless there is an indigenous population down there whose wishes should be respected.
I just don't think that anyone should die for them. The only reason that anyone will die down there is if the Argentinian Government decide that they should. If that happens then THEY will be the aggressors and THEY will be wrong and it will be THEIR fault.
Doesn't sound much like Neville Chamberlain to me!
Really?
Then you have obviously misread my post or never read a single word written or spoken by Neville Chamberlain!
Where do I mention "appeasement?" Where do I mention "allowing zones of influence" Where do I mention "countries far far away of which we know little"?
I am not saying that we should withdraw from the Falkland Islands, I am not saying that we should have no military presence, I am not saying that we shouldn't maintain an adequate military capability down South and that if there are aggressive military moves by Argentina then we shouldn't counter them.
The fact that there is British presence in the South Atlantic is an anachronistic hangover from a previous era. Nevertheless there is an indigenous population down there whose wishes should be respected.
I just don't think that anyone should die for them. The only reason that anyone will die down there is if the Argentinian Government decide that they should. If that happens then THEY will be the aggressors and THEY will be wrong and it will be THEIR fault.
Doesn't sound much like Neville Chamberlain to me!
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"What on earth would be the point of all this jingoistic flag waving, military posturing and offensive messages sent to the Argentines and telling people to F*** Off?
There appears to be no stomach for military action from the Argentinian people and very little concrete support for such from her neighbours.
You start getting all offensive, objectionable and aggressive down there and you see how quickly that would change"
That reads as appeasement to me
There appears to be no stomach for military action from the Argentinian people and very little concrete support for such from her neighbours.
You start getting all offensive, objectionable and aggressive down there and you see how quickly that would change"
That reads as appeasement to me
Then you clearly have no understanding of what appeasement means!
pr00ne,
I'm not going to read through all the posts of Friday night, but I'm sure you're happy with the present posture of sending the T45 Destroyer to loaf around for a while, I don't think we can trust anyone just to leave the Falklands alone at present. Further, as an ex light blue person, I think it is not a good idea not to have an aircraft carrier to send to the region. One that can launch interceptors rather than CAS stuff.
FB
I'm not going to read through all the posts of Friday night, but I'm sure you're happy with the present posture of sending the T45 Destroyer to loaf around for a while, I don't think we can trust anyone just to leave the Falklands alone at present. Further, as an ex light blue person, I think it is not a good idea not to have an aircraft carrier to send to the region. One that can launch interceptors rather than CAS stuff.
FB
Suspicion breeds confidence
Agree with last post. Dauntless raises the bar to a point where they wouldn't want to play. 1 Trafalgar class = goodbye navy. 1 T45 = goodbye air force. Bring em on.