Welcome Home Boys - Well Done

[davejb]

Well,
that seems like a fairly unambiguous statement...
In the meantime a Happy Christmas to anyone who knows me, if only through this ever entertaining website <g>


LCJ:

LCJ is a three letter acronym which can refer to:

• ThLCJ is a three letter acronym which can refer to:
  • The Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales
  • The three letter IATA code for Łódź Władysław Reymont Airport in Poland.
  e Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales
• The three letter IATA code for Łódź Władysław Reymont Airport in Poland.

Serves you right for trying to smuggle assorted Judges into Canadia!

Dave
Ho Ho Ho

[Sven Sixtoo]

Well, if we are going to dig into IATA and suchlike civvie stuff ...

I once delivered a Sea King from A to B in the UK, and boarded a civvie flight to get home, with my flying kit in hold baggage, and the LSJ in hand baggage.

At check-in:

BA employee: "Do you have any of these prohibited goods?" - shows list including radio transmitters, compressed gases, explosives, firearms.

Me: "Yes, all of them I think"

BA Employee: "Thank you sir, you are departing from Gate 5 which will open at XX. Have a pleasant flight."

I have never figured out whether she was thick as mince or having a really good attack of commonsense.

Sven
still seeking employment

[L J R]

I knew an F-16 driver (a Guard dude), who flew on weekends......He was a 747 captain for his proper job during the week.....On weekends he flew his Block 50 (with a nice 'six-pack') on CAP over NY, NY. As airline captain - in the 4-bar white shirt, was stopped at security and forced to hand his clippers in....Not sure how they could have contributed to the illegal take-over of his aircraft....Hs comments were that if he wanted to bring an airliner down, maybe the six packed Block 50 may have been more productive.

[davejb]

Commonsense has two basic problem areas,
1 - People often do not have a surfeit of sense.
2 - When sense is available, it is seldom common that it should be so.

To be absolutelively honest, if you are a basic wage chimp with a rulebook to follow, then deviating from the rulebook simply because of commonsense is probably not a survival trait. Look at it this way, for those of us who are genuinely paid to think then going through security at a modern western airport affords us a modicum of amusement while we gnash our teeth at the restrictions.

I did, at Gatwick, heading for my Orlando flight with wife and kids once point out very politely that whilst I - a white, late middle aged family man with family in tow, dressed in chinos and a T shirt, had been stopped (shoes off) they had just let an obviously middle eastern man in his 30's walk through with his shoes still on and an anorak (in midsummer) tightly zipped up to his neck. I was told they had to be careful not to be seen to be racist....

I find the TSA folk to be less hassle than the Gatwick people myself, if we applied a degree of commonsense to these checks - bu**er sensibilities - then travel needn't be the pain in the butt it has been for the last decade. Profile the bad guys, and stop this incredibly slow scanning of everyone passing through... we really do NOT need to be scanning everyone.

Troops should be able to walk right through - if you don't trust the people who guard you, then all is already lost.

Dave

[floppyjock]

Mr H

I guess your a mover then. Snapping like a belt fed crocodile or what. Talk about jobsworth. ROFL

[Aynayda Pizaqvick]

I've had a similar thing at more than one European airport due to a non-issue and admittedly aggressive looking survival knife. Their reasoning for not being allowed it was that I could use it to hijack the aircraft.
My reasoning was that as aircraft captain it was unlikely I would need to hold a knife to my own neck if I decided to fly somewhere else.

[Easy Street]

Aha! Mr Hinecap, you must be the man to answer a question that arises every time I've taken a life preserver on RAF AT: which of these is the correct answer for LSJ packing according to IATA / JSP / whatever.....

1. Wrapped in thick polythene bag with CO2 bottle and flares removed; packed in hold within kitbag
2. Wrapped in thick polythene bag with CO2 fitted but flares removed; packed in hold within kitbag
3. Wrapped in thick polythene bag with CO2 and flares fitted, packed in hold within kitbag
4. As per 1, but taken out of kitbag at check-in and thick polythene bag removed ("not packed as per rules, sir"), placed into thin black bin bag, and instructed to hand to Loadmaster as carry-on item. Bin bag breaks whilst carrying across pan.
5. As per 2 but removed from kitbag and counted as separate item ("not allowed to put dangerous cargo in checked luggage")

Those are just the combinations I can remember being ordered to comply with, there are many others but the detail escapes me! Is it any wonder that people don't respect Movers as a collective when their own rules are applied so inconsistently?

In case anyone thinks "trivia", the average Squipper probably spends a whole day at either end of a detachment preparing LSJs for transit, or putting them back together afterwards, and all of it probably unneccessary - a friendly Squipper told me that their understanding of the rules is that "3" is the answer, but they go through all the palaver of taking the bits and bobs out because the LSJs rarely get accepted in that condition. This now creates another problem... the flares, once removed from the LSJ, enter another category of DAC and need packing in special "ballistic" boxes to keep the Movers happy... money money money!

So, Mr Hinecap, if you could put the matter to rest I'm sure it would make a lot of Squippers very happy, and we could perhaps save some money as well? Perhaps you could put a GEMS in to Movements HQ and pocket some of the savings!

[ramp_up]

The problem here is arrogance or ignorance of the untrained. Hopefully with introduction of the new DG regs even those members of the aviation world who are soldiers’ first rather than professional aviators may understand the rules. As an SH mate, yes the rules are written for fixed wing guys and are not very flexible; however Floppy as a Gaz driver I doubt that you hold the knowledge or qualifications to determine what constitutes DG. Google civilian flight safety reports concerning DG and you might be shocked of the returns. As already mentioned if you ain’t operating it – “Sit down and shut up” or at least know the rules that you are breaking.

[floppyjock]

Easy Street

Well said. I had the same rules change every time.

So Im not the only one that does'nt " hold the knowledge or qualifications to determine what constitutes DG " Apparently neither do the movers.

[STN Ramp Rat]

myth

As someone who work’s close to this sort of flight and aware of the regulations they operate under and the IND operation it is almost certainly a myth. OPSEC means I can’t say why it would be a myth but it would be very difficult for it to be true and would have required several people to be so far away from SOP that there would have been an enquiry.