Sth Korea deploy F16's as the 2 Korea's exchange artillery rounds
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Nope.
Nope.
We'd technically be at war with North Korea.
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Ahem -
The Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) are a series of defence relationships established by bilateral agreements between the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Singapore signed in 1971, whereby the five states will consult each other in the event of external aggression or threat of attack against Peninsula Malaysia (East Malaysia is not included as part of the area of responsibilities under the FPDA)or Singapore.
The FPDA was set up following the termination of the United Kingdom's defence guarantees of Malaysia and Singapore as a result of Britain's decision in 1967 to withdraw its armed forces east of Suez. The FPDA provides for defence co-operation, and for an Integrated Air Defence System (IADS) for Malaysia and Singapore based in RMAF Butterworth under the command of an Australian Air Vice-Marshal (2-star). RMAF Butterworth, until 1988 under the control of the Royal Australian Air Force, is now owned by the Royal Malaysian Air Force, but hosts rotating detachments of aircraft and personnel from all five countries.
In 1981, the five powers organised the first annual land and naval exercises. Since 1997, the naval and air exercises have been combined. In 2001, HQ IADS was redesignated Headquarters Integrated "Area" Defence System. It now has personnel from all three branches of the armed services, and co-ordinates the annual five-power naval and air exercises, while moving towards the fuller integration of land elements.
John Moore, then Minister for Defence of Australia said, "As an established multilateral security framework, the FPDA has a unique role in Asia. It is of strategic benefit to all member nations and, in Australia's view, to the wider Asia-Pacific region.
Link below
"http://ukinmalaysia.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/working-with-malaysia/defence-new/five-power-defence-arrangements
A key aspect of this arangement was UK PLCs wish to support our partners with LRMPA,CVS with Harrier and SSN support. SDSR my Arse. Yet again an example of relying on partner nations to wipe our
whilst ignoring obligations to others but happy to financially support someone not too far away and not too long ago, that wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire.
Respect,Integrity and oh never mind.
I need to f lie down.
The Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) are a series of defence relationships established by bilateral agreements between the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Singapore signed in 1971, whereby the five states will consult each other in the event of external aggression or threat of attack against Peninsula Malaysia (East Malaysia is not included as part of the area of responsibilities under the FPDA)or Singapore.
The FPDA was set up following the termination of the United Kingdom's defence guarantees of Malaysia and Singapore as a result of Britain's decision in 1967 to withdraw its armed forces east of Suez. The FPDA provides for defence co-operation, and for an Integrated Air Defence System (IADS) for Malaysia and Singapore based in RMAF Butterworth under the command of an Australian Air Vice-Marshal (2-star). RMAF Butterworth, until 1988 under the control of the Royal Australian Air Force, is now owned by the Royal Malaysian Air Force, but hosts rotating detachments of aircraft and personnel from all five countries.
In 1981, the five powers organised the first annual land and naval exercises. Since 1997, the naval and air exercises have been combined. In 2001, HQ IADS was redesignated Headquarters Integrated "Area" Defence System. It now has personnel from all three branches of the armed services, and co-ordinates the annual five-power naval and air exercises, while moving towards the fuller integration of land elements.
John Moore, then Minister for Defence of Australia said, "As an established multilateral security framework, the FPDA has a unique role in Asia. It is of strategic benefit to all member nations and, in Australia's view, to the wider Asia-Pacific region.
Link below
"http://ukinmalaysia.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/working-with-malaysia/defence-new/five-power-defence-arrangements
A key aspect of this arangement was UK PLCs wish to support our partners with LRMPA,CVS with Harrier and SSN support. SDSR my Arse. Yet again an example of relying on partner nations to wipe our
whilst ignoring obligations to others but happy to financially support someone not too far away and not too long ago, that wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire.Respect,Integrity and oh never mind.
I need to f
lie down.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
We'd technically be at war with North Korea
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Recommends that the Members of the United Nations furnish such assistance to the Republic of Korea as may be necessary to repel the armed attack and to restore international peace and security in the area.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
No declaration of war.
USA: Korean Conflict: ........Truman did not seek a formal declaration of war from Congress; officially, America's presence in Korea amounted to no more than a "police action.".......
UK: Parliament and the use of force: .......A debate was held on 5 July 1950, and this was on a substantive motion:that this House fully supports the action taken by His Majesty’s Government in conformity with their obligations under the United Nations Charter, in helping to resist the unprovoked aggression against the Republic of Korea.
USA: Korean Conflict: ........Truman did not seek a formal declaration of war from Congress; officially, America's presence in Korea amounted to no more than a "police action.".......
UK: Parliament and the use of force: .......A debate was held on 5 July 1950, and this was on a substantive motion:that this House fully supports the action taken by His Majesty’s Government in conformity with their obligations under the United Nations Charter, in helping to resist the unprovoked aggression against the Republic of Korea.
ORAC, that is a fascinating parsing of language, however one will also find that a state of belligerency exists regardless of any declaration or otherwise. Put another way, your patch and mine are at war when you invade me whether you declared anything or not. All that needs showing is that a state of belligerency exists.
This becomes politically important in a number of ways, since once the state of belligerency exists, the laws and rules of war apply, else My Lai cannot have been a war crime.
This becomes politically important in a number of ways, since once the state of belligerency exists, the laws and rules of war apply, else My Lai cannot have been a war crime.
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I can see yet another bombardment of the airwaves and print presses by the dark blue using this as justification for keeping the Harrier and Ark Royal - In fact anything grey prior SDSR plus 2 white elephants.
I'm reticent to open the Telegraph these days lest I learn that global warming is due to the SDSR cuts on the RN. Someone must have 'leaned' their ipod again.
I'm reticent to open the Telegraph these days lest I learn that global warming is due to the SDSR cuts on the RN. Someone must have 'leaned' their ipod again.
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Minigundiplomat,
SLOC means Sea lines of Communication. Wether it is light blue or dark blue its vital for a nation such as ours to preserve its integrity. Irrelevant of how long that line is. Do me a favour and go for a walk around your house and look at where everything comes from. Then ask yourself why you bought it? Was it because it was reliable and cheap, and possibly made in an exotic country that you once visited on Det or was because it was from an average and more expensive country that you would avoid going on Det to.
The reason why Ireland became the Celtic Tiger it was and we became its major trading partner was they were so wealthy and they didn’t mind paying extra for average. Well, we are now propping them up and I am sure that out of appreciation they will continue to buy from us. Only a complete sceptic would expect them to find a cheaper trading partner to exist with.
As for massive financial aid to India and their latest defence procurements including a new MPA fleet, SSNs and Carriers I shouldn’t have to point out the bleeding obvious.
We are taking austerity measures not for the good of UK plc but to allow others to take the piss.
Oh well back to bed!
SLOC means Sea lines of Communication. Wether it is light blue or dark blue its vital for a nation such as ours to preserve its integrity. Irrelevant of how long that line is. Do me a favour and go for a walk around your house and look at where everything comes from. Then ask yourself why you bought it? Was it because it was reliable and cheap, and possibly made in an exotic country that you once visited on Det or was because it was from an average and more expensive country that you would avoid going on Det to.
The reason why Ireland became the Celtic Tiger it was and we became its major trading partner was they were so wealthy and they didn’t mind paying extra for average. Well, we are now propping them up and I am sure that out of appreciation they will continue to buy from us. Only a complete sceptic would expect them to find a cheaper trading partner to exist with.
As for massive financial aid to India and their latest defence procurements including a new MPA fleet, SSNs and Carriers I shouldn’t have to point out the bleeding obvious.
We are taking austerity measures not for the good of UK plc but to allow others to take the piss.
Oh well back to bed!
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I heard about this Korean exchange at work, and came home to just catch the headline artice on the ITV1 main news.
The top story I tuned into however was where the Middleton family might sit in Westminster Abbey.
Obviously not as newsworthy.
The top story I tuned into however was where the Middleton family might sit in Westminster Abbey.
Obviously not as newsworthy.
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The royal wedding is directly relevant to us. An artillery strike the other side of the planet is less relevant, especially if we take our military place on this. We have 38,000 infantry soldiers! They have a 1,000,000.
Are we a military super power.NO
Are we geographically local.NO
Do we have the military recourses and resolve to involve ourselves in a conflict that is none of our business.NO
Is Germany, France, Brazil, Australia(local), Canada, Turkey(4th biggest army in the world) talking themselves into a conflict? NO
Are we a military super power.NO
Are we geographically local.NO
Do we have the military recourses and resolve to involve ourselves in a conflict that is none of our business.NO
Is Germany, France, Brazil, Australia(local), Canada, Turkey(4th biggest army in the world) talking themselves into a conflict? NO
I reckon South Koreans have been heavily infiltrated by North Koreans to make the west pay. Otherwise how do you account for all those Hyundai and Kia cars.
I think North Korea is in Leadership transition which can go anyway hence a need to appear strong.
I think North Korea is in Leadership transition which can go anyway hence a need to appear strong.
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JFZ90 - ITN ran Korea as the headline piece last night (for about 3 minutes), but that wedding did get second billing and rather more of the 'analysis'. Clearly the researchers are more interested in a day off next April than new and interesting opportunities for blood-letting.
USS George Washington carrier battle group is heading up the way for the still planned exercise with the RoK and also as a show of force from what I just read 
Statement: Naval Readiness Exercise Announced - Korea Real Time - WSJ
Statement: Naval Readiness Exercise Announced - Korea Real Time - WSJ
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
Well despite yesterday's schoolgirl hysteria across the American media, today, the biggest threat to our national security is once again a high school drop-out with the TSA touching Granny's prosthetic limb in an inappropriate manner.