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Infrastructure Neglected at Leuchars
Answers to 2 new PQs:
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2010-12-02a.27581.h&s=Leuchars#g27581.q0
No decision yet on future of RAF Leuchars
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2010-12-02a.27579.h&s=Lossiemouth#g27579.r0
£62 Million less spent on upgrading infrastructure at Leuchars over the past 3 years than at Lossiemouth; explains why Leuchars is looking a little tired and why the infrastructure bill for the future would be so big.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2010-12-02a.27581.h&s=Leuchars#g27581.q0
No decision yet on future of RAF Leuchars
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2010-12-02a.27579.h&s=Lossiemouth#g27579.r0
£62 Million less spent on upgrading infrastructure at Leuchars over the past 3 years than at Lossiemouth; explains why Leuchars is looking a little tired and why the infrastructure bill for the future would be so big.
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First post so forgive me but - we all seem to be pondering over whether Lossie or Leuchars should go, there are valid reasons for keeping them both. However, if Leuchars was to close and Lossie kept:
- what would be the practicality of operating live armed sorties from lossie (even an OCU 3Kg terror-weapon sortie) when the nearest mil div is Leeming?
- what would be the practicality of operating live armed sorties from lossie (even an OCU 3Kg terror-weapon sortie) when the nearest mil div is Leeming?
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Weeeeell - if Leuchars closed as an ops base, and the McArmy move in, could the runway be saved as an emergency strip? Or in extremis either drop the whizzy bang stuff in the oggin and go to EGPE/D/C/A/B/wherever or go to Norway?? (depending whereabouts over the North Sea they are). Or make an arrangement with a civvy field to to take live armed cabs? For instance they could div to, say, Inverness and whilst the jets were en route 202 could take some armourers over pronto to put the pins in etc?
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Perhaps a more appropriate question might be:-
If the RAF continues to close bases, then at what point would a single weapon destroy in a millisecond our country's entire offensive and defensive airpower. An advantage of positioning one's forces near to each other is the availability of support and centralisation/rapid comms, a downside is that your eggs are in one basket - eg Egyptian airforce 1967 (how far back do we need to go for an object lesson?) or Hawaii 1941.... or even more an example, Phillipines AFTER the war warnings went out post Pearl Harbour.
The closer together we base an ever dwindling number of assets, the closer we come to becoming a good bet when bad folks consider a pre-emptive strike. We aren't 'only' dicking with defence now, we are entering the arena of being plain foolhardy. Thank goodness we get on so well with the French these days...
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If the RAF continues to close bases, then at what point would a single weapon destroy in a millisecond our country's entire offensive and defensive airpower. An advantage of positioning one's forces near to each other is the availability of support and centralisation/rapid comms, a downside is that your eggs are in one basket - eg Egyptian airforce 1967 (how far back do we need to go for an object lesson?) or Hawaii 1941.... or even more an example, Phillipines AFTER the war warnings went out post Pearl Harbour.
The closer together we base an ever dwindling number of assets, the closer we come to becoming a good bet when bad folks consider a pre-emptive strike. We aren't 'only' dicking with defence now, we are entering the arena of being plain foolhardy. Thank goodness we get on so well with the French these days...
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Wouldav, there will be no issue with weapons on civvy airfileds once the MOD decide that Inverness/Edinburgh/Dundee/Weegietown/Aberdeen are all acceptable divs.
The only problem with 6, 111 & 617 doing it just now is that they shouldn't, so a quick law change [laws being made by the folk asking for the savings] and Robert's your Mother's brother.
The only problem with 6, 111 & 617 doing it just now is that they shouldn't, so a quick law change [laws being made by the folk asking for the savings] and Robert's your Mother's brother.
As for weapons, the tiny bomb dump/explosives storage park at Leuchars is probably a factor for the future as well - it can't hold very much.
After all, the decision to base 3 sqns of Typhoons, and swing-role units at that, at Leuchars was taken some years back!
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Lossie based jets are armed when dropping live at the ranges up north, Kinloss always a diversion in the one in a million time things went wrong. Inverness and Aberdeen both could easily get allowences to handle armed jets. Lets face it point in safe direction and follow procedures what goes wrong (I wont mention Leuchars many moons ago) but simple safe risk assesments that can be done.
Teams are in place to sort all this crap out , after all they have got the SDSR correct so far....
Teams are in place to sort all this crap out , after all they have got the SDSR correct so far....
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.....I wont mention Leuchars many moons ago..... but simple safe risk assesments that can be done.
......arm 111Sqn F4 during a routine 12 hour Gen Ex , add torrential rain....allow time to pass...oh and point in safe direction...i.e, in general direction of paper mill......the rest is history and made the national press the next day. It didn't half make a racket when it went off, As Pumba said " Small yet satisfying" Well theres some kind of wood products factory off the end of 23 at Inverness so it should be ideal.
....can't speak for Aberdeen ..Sorry, there's only the X-Factor on telly, couldn't resist.
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Or park em on the disused runway (where the dead Jetstreams used to sit) and then they are aiming straight over the Moray Firth. Might annoy the odd haddock if anything went off assuming they dont hit the ploughed field between the airfield and the sea.
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**** all to do with the rain, more convict labour in US prisons constructing 100 way plugs including swarf and other detritus. The damaged 100 way plugs (4 off found at Leuchars alone) had internal burning tracking underneath the top level of the sealant.
And your general direction is "general" in the extreme.
And your general direction is "general" in the extreme.
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Ryanair interested in Leuchars
202 could take some armourers over pronto
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Leuchars home to just half the number of personnel stationed at Lossiemouth
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How unfortunate that the Armed Forces Minister who was scheduled to meet Lossiemouth protesters
in person yesterday, had to cancel his flight form Northolt, because of winter conditions at KINLOSS.
Meanwhile it was business usual for the only genuine all weather airfield in Scotland, which is the
reason why RAF Leuchars is the flying station of choice for NQRA, and Kinloss or Lossie, are not.
in person yesterday, had to cancel his flight form Northolt, because of winter conditions at KINLOSS.
Meanwhile it was business usual for the only genuine all weather airfield in Scotland, which is the
reason why RAF Leuchars is the flying station of choice for NQRA, and Kinloss or Lossie, are not.
Some inverted reasoning there, Bucc. Leuchars is open BECAUSE it is the NQRA stn. If one of the other stns held QRA, they would have the snowploughs, deicers etc that they would need to stay open.
Or is your point that Leuchars gets less snow on average? Personally, I don't know - if so, then it would certainly be one point in its favour. But it's not the only factor that should be considered.
Or is your point that Leuchars gets less snow on average? Personally, I don't know - if so, then it would certainly be one point in its favour. But it's not the only factor that should be considered.
I don't know what state the runway was in, but the weather at Kinloss was fine on the day in question, with a nice extra big flag waving gently under a clear blue sky....
The problem I had heard was with the weather at Northolt being unsuitable for the aircraft to depart in the first place, fogged out I believe.
I could be wrong....but if I'm not......never let the truth get in the way of something that supports your arguement eh BUCC09!
The problem I had heard was with the weather at Northolt being unsuitable for the aircraft to depart in the first place, fogged out I believe.
I could be wrong....but if I'm not......never let the truth get in the way of something that supports your arguement eh BUCC09!