PVR

[Cmn2644]

With SDSR and voluntary redundancy aside, does anyone know the exact return of service currently required for NCA post OCF before an application to PVR can be submitted ?
I was under the impression it was 3 years which I believe is stated in one of the APs but there is talk of 6 years and no one seems to know the answer ? Any help or thoughts appreciated

[day1-week1]

I think its six years for your first OCU/OCF, and then three years for subsequent ones. But I've only ever had that by word of mouth.

[Pontius Navigator]

And for a Nimrod NCA I think time is already up. Could even mean the odd one or two lose their flying badge.

PS

Day1, correct.

[Diablo Rouge]

Could even mean the odd one or two lose their flying badge.

Sometimes the rules need to be flexible, and IMHO this is one of those times. To remove a well earned flying badge because of Govt politics would be the epitomy of unfairness.

[Pontius Navigator]

Originally Posted by Diablo Rouge

the epitomy of unfairness.

Why do people keep assuming there is any fact, logic or reason in the application of rules?

There will be one person approaching their 6-month period who looks as if they might not make it. There will be another a 3 months who looks OK and there will ne one at one month who . . . ?

And of course one failure at just gone 6 months.

Draw the line . . .

[sargs]

Pontious Navigator

Could even mean the odd one or two lose their flying badge.

Bit of an unfair and ill-informed comment, I think. I believe the responsible Desky is doing everthing he possibly can to help people in just this situation.

[Diablo Rouge]

I do not assume anything, but I do believe that if awarded a flying badge before the RAF removed the goalposts that one should be allowed to keep your badge. Many may have feared but few saw the destruction of the WSOp (AEOp) trade coming in this manner. I can aslo see 55 Sqn NCA element closing in toto for 2-3 years min as the ALM trade did in 1982.

[c130jbloke]

When I did a similar thing in 2006/7 the rules were 6 yr post first OCU and 3yr thereafter.

I wonder how many applications are at ACOS manning for ALM crossovers at the moment ?

Sad days, best of british to all those NCA affected by this balls up.

[500days2do]

Quote "Bit of an unfair and ill-informed comment, I think. I believe the responsible Desky is doing everthing he possibly can to help people in just this situation."

You are living in la-la land if you believe this to be true.

The first thing "Desky" will be doing is checking his 6 to ensure he doesn't become part of the statistic...human nature old boy...can't blame him.

Whether PVR or wither on the vine....but be under no illusion, you are not going to be missed....the service is faceless, units are faceless,some sqns are faceless, the only person it will matter to is you...maybe your immediate family too.

It was always against my own personal beliefs that I finally woke up to this situation...its a hard life...just get on with it....make a difference to someone...but don't expect anyone to really care.

5d2d

[Pontius Navigator]

5d2d, thank you. The operative word in my post was COULD and that cannot be ill informed.

Now it is quite likely that no one would be standing at the door asking for them back but suppose you remustered from WSOp to Steward and someone questioned your brevet, then you can be sure questions would be asked.

And before you flame me, I have seen a Cpl Steward Pilot.

[pamac51]

Can not see any personnel having their brevets taken away due to remustering/rebranching - used to be a Sgt supplier at Valley in 70s with pilot wings and likewise admin sqn ldr. Once earned, kept for rest of your service regardless of future job........maybe!

[c130jbloke]

but suppose you remustered from WSOp to Steward

Things are not that bad - get real.

As for keeping the badge, IIRC you needed to be combat ready to meet the criteria - not 6 months on the Sqn as that was the time allocated to upgrade. If this is the case, then hopefully somebody will demonstrate some leadership up at ISK and whatever flying hours left to the Nimrod will be used to upgrade those who may be in that unfortunate hole. It has a certain irony, your last trip is your upgrade ride. The OCs keep doing the PD thing to the last, the Sqn F540 bod gets some extra lines to write, some poor sod gets a little satisfaction and the system gets a much needed one finger salute.

As an aside, if the subject was up for it and had the ability, we always pushed for an early cat as it looked good for their future promotion prospects - especially for a type X- over although I appreciate this makes the CR thing a moot point.



That one entry on your F5000 could be the best insurance policy you get whilst in

[mystic_meg]

hopefully somebody will demonstrate some leadership up at ISK and whatever flying hours left to the Nimrod will be used

Eh? Where the f*ck have you been? the Nimrods have long gone up at ISK - do keep up, there's a good chap

[c130jbloke]

Eh? Where the f*ck have you been? the Nimrods have long gone up at ISK - do keep up, there's a good chap

That's me told - bang to rights too

[Pontius Navigator]

c130j, WSOp to steward was a sublime to ridiculous suggestion but quite in keeping with getting rid of any MPA capability.

[c130jbloke]

PN: Have you seen how well ( not ) I am doing on this thread ? Therefore sublime is way past me at the moment

[sargs]

500days2do:

Quote "Bit of an unfair and ill-informed comment, I think. I believe the responsible Desky is doing everthing he possibly can to help people in just this situation."

You are living in la-la land if you believe this to be true.

The first thing "Desky" will be doing is checking his 6 to ensure he doesn't become part of the statistic...human nature old boy...can't blame him.

Er - I'm not living in La-La Land, actually. I know the Desk Officer personally, as do many on this site, and I can assure you he is not spending his time "checking his 6" - he's actually getting on with the unpleasant business of trying to manage a diabolical situation which has been thrown his way. Just because you may have a jaundiced view of the RAF, don't assume everyone else does.

Pontious Navgator:

5d2d, thank you. The operative word in my post was COULD and that cannot be ill informed.

OK, perhaps I didn't choose my words carefully enough, although in my defence I was a little peeved that this sort of stuff is being peddled whilst people genuinely fear for their careers. Delete "ill-informed" and substitute "ill-considered" if you wish.

[Pontius Navigator]

sargs, accepted. At least it might mean that the rues are amended or ignored now it hashad the light of day; I hope so.

[sargs]

Agreed, Pontious. This thread has concentrated on loss of both the aircraft and the capability, but the sad reality is that many decent AEOps will be facing a bleak future. When you consider the number of personnel in support roles, over and above the crews at ISK, the sheer size of the problem becomes apparent. I know the figures, and it's sobering. The Desk Officer responsible for these people has, as has been usual for years, come from the same background - ie, he knows a lot of them personally. It's not beyond the realms of fantasy that he will be issuing redundancy notices to personal friends, so to suggest he is busy looking after himself is, frankly, an insult.

[Pontius Navigator]

sargs, yes, sad indeed. I believe it was similar when the Britannia fleet disappeared although there were some billets for some people. The last cut like this was when the Sim Trade was put out to industry in one fell swoop.