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Old 19th Oct 2010, 18:09
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I note a references to Chinook, Merlin, Wildcat and Apache in the SDSR, but not Sea King. Does this infer that the MK4's are to go in 2012 as published and what about those in the SAR role?
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 18:13
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Redundancy packages.

JSP 764
PART 5
COMPENSATION FOR REDUNDANCY -
THE REGULAR ARMED FORCES




Chapter 4
ARMED FORCES REDUNDANCY SCHEME
1975-LEAVERS BETWEEN 6 APRIL 2010 –
31 MARCH 2013
This Chapter is reserved for new rules which are yet to be fully approved.


Oh dear...........
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 18:17
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interesting there is no mention of ownership of helecopters as some stuff mentioned under army so will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Wasn't the original plan for the RAF to Relinquish the Merlin force to the Navy when they got the new Chinooks? So with Puma staying and New Chinooks on order that may still be the plan we'll have to see

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Old 19th Oct 2010, 18:30
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Smacks of the Air Force withdrawing within itself. Maritime supports RN; RN wants CVS at the expense of Army/RAF; RAF cuts MPA. RAF also cuts GR9.
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 18:35
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all the talk of loss of experience on ship operations with withdrawal of harrier. Since we're going back to cat/trap aircraft isn't the Harrier skill set no very relevant?
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Carriers with no embarked Air Wing - what is the point?

How many Heli Assault/Amphib platforms could we have bought for the price of the 2 carriers?

No embarked air for a decade - lets hope Argentina aren't watching!
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 18:42
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Could a rotary mate explain the logic behind the retention of the Puma upgrade? In the light of everything else it looks a rather strange decision.

Maybe helicopters are simply too sensitive
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 18:45
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no mention in the whole document on the Commando helicopter force or SAR replacement?

so could be some helicopter cuts hidden away
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 18:54
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Just this once can you show where your analysis of CHF comes from?
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 19:04
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The irony is that we're now looking at redundancies whilst Financial Retention Incentives are still being offered!

I wonder if the RN really need to offer FRIs to fast-jet pilots for an extra 5 years of service, when their next fast-jets are much further in the future than that?
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 19:31
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interesting as 3 commando brigade is spefically mentioned as being one of the high readyness units so your brief puts them reducing by the strength of a full Commando
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Why are we keeping the E3? I am bemused after today but that one really suprised me. No offence to the guys who work on the E3 but do we need AWACS when the PM spouts of **** about getting rid of the cold war war thinking.
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 19:36
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Yes E3 stays it would make more sense to loose 3 E3 airframes to be converted to Rivet Joint
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Education Allowance

Something else that appears to be "below the line":

Strategic Defence Review: school fees withdrawn from Army Families - Telegraph

The review commits the Ministry of Defence to saving £300 million-a-year from allowances to servicemen and women and civilian staff.

Sources suggested that this would result in significant cuts to the Continuity of Education Allowance, under which children from Forces families can attend independent schools.
Last year, the MoD spent £172.8 million on the allowance, which was claimed by around 6,000 service personnel.
Although some Labour MPs describe the fund as an officers’ perk, the scheme is in fact available to levels of the Armed Forces. Last year nearly 2,500 claimants were below officer ranks.
The allowance enables allows youngsters to remain at the same school in the United Kingdom while their forces parents are being sent to different postings around the world.
A small number of civilian workers employed by the Ministry of Defence are also able to claim the money when they are posted overseas, at a cost to the taxpayer of around £1 million a year.
General Sir Richard Dannatt, the former Chief of the General Staff, has spoken in the past of his support for the scheme.
He said: “The freedom of choice and stability in the formative years of our children that this scheme offers are essential to the wellbeing of our Armed Forces.”

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Old 19th Oct 2010, 19:46
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I'm afraid this has been a dreadful example of individual services thinking of themselves and stuff the overall package, with the RAF as much of a villain as the other two services. Until the last moment, the Tornados were going to be withdrawn over the next five years, and then the RAF jumps in and insists it has to keep some, so the RN's Harriers have to go, leaving no aircraft to fly from the carriers. The decision to get rid of Sentinel and keep AWACs also looks like a duff idea. If a fleet had to go it should have been Tornado not Harrier. That at least would have provided a balanced overall package.
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 19:51
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If a fleet had to go it should have been Tornado not Harrier
There was no Harrier fleet left, or at least not one that could sustain any operation (Afghan)!!
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 19:52
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Future of Wittering?

As an ex-mil and now a local civvie who has an interest in the base, I was wondering when a decision on the future of RAF Wittering is likely. When are we likely to find out if is staying RAF, switching to Army or closing?
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 20:00
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Why are we keeping the E3?
Couldn't agree more - keep Nimrod, bin E-3, put Nimrods into Waddington with other ISTAR assets...never mind eh!
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 20:09
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From what everyone says the Tornado Fleet was on its last legs anyway, why stretch more out of something thats due to be scrapped soon. Same with Puma extend it after a quick refit. I know we require choppers but in 5 years time at the next conflict we will be relying on something dropping ordanance on targets to make way for our 100,000 Army troops to march in and join us for tea & medals.
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Old 19th Oct 2010, 20:18
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"The Merlin force will be upgraded to enhance its ability to support amphibious operations."

This was to happen anyway with the transfer to CHF. It doesn't mention that the MK3 Merlin will be retained by the RAF.
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