Nimrod crash - MoD pay up
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Nimrod crash - MoD pay up
Reports of £15million being paid to the Nimrod crash families. No idea of how the 'split' went but a settlement such as this must be akin to full admition of liability. Source:Sky News.
Headlines from 2008:
Parents of airmen killed in Nimrod crash in legal battle with Defence Secretary
The families of two airmen killed when their Nimrod aircraft exploded in Afghanistan have served legal proceedings on the Ministry of Defence.
Headlines from 2008:
Parents of airmen killed in Nimrod crash in legal battle with Defence Secretary
The families of two airmen killed when their Nimrod aircraft exploded in Afghanistan have served legal proceedings on the Ministry of Defence.
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Of course it is full liability, the aircraft was not airworthy for 20 odd years before the explosion. But hold your horses on the settlement, as far as I am aware this is news to the families as well. Better not be media spin.....
BTW, I safely predict the same will go with the Chinook. MoD saw fit to send passengers and crew to their deaths in an aircraft that was not airworthy. Doesn't matter how much the MoD pays for its fancy lawyers..
BTW, I safely predict the same will go with the Chinook. MoD saw fit to send passengers and crew to their deaths in an aircraft that was not airworthy. Doesn't matter how much the MoD pays for its fancy lawyers..
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If, as the families claim, it isn't about compensation can we expect them to donate the settlement to charity?
One assumes you've never lost a son to the incompetence and gross negligence of others.
Perhaps Adam Ingram will now feel able to express regret for ignoring the warnings of systemic airworthiness failings presented to him a year before the crash, which he denied the year after it - and which Haddon-Cave reiterated.
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Don't bother with the very rapid trolls that have appeared already Tuc. The practicality is, how would YOU survive on a third of your previous income with no husband to give any support at all and possibly having to find a new home at short notice?
This is what Ainsworth said at the conclusion of the Inquest when he ignored the coroner's call to ground the fleet, without having read the coroner's summary.
Bob Ainsworth said:
"My thoughts are with the families, friends and colleagues of those who died in XV230. On behalf of the MOD and the Royal Air Force, I would like to apologise again to the families of those who died for our failings which led to this tragic incident.
"I would like to reassure all those concerned that the Chief of the Air Staff has reaffirmed to me that the Nimrod is airworthy, and that we are dealing with all the issues raised by this incident. The independent review of the airworthiness and safety of the Nimrod is ongoing.
"I have noted the coroner's comments and I will consider them carefully. The Nimrod is saving lives in operational theatres every day. However, if it was not safe we would not be flying it; it is safe with the measures we have taken and that is why we will not be grounding the fleet.
This is what Ainsworth said at the conclusion of the Inquest when he ignored the coroner's call to ground the fleet, without having read the coroner's summary.
Bob Ainsworth said:
"My thoughts are with the families, friends and colleagues of those who died in XV230. On behalf of the MOD and the Royal Air Force, I would like to apologise again to the families of those who died for our failings which led to this tragic incident.
"I would like to reassure all those concerned that the Chief of the Air Staff has reaffirmed to me that the Nimrod is airworthy, and that we are dealing with all the issues raised by this incident. The independent review of the airworthiness and safety of the Nimrod is ongoing.
"I have noted the coroner's comments and I will consider them carefully. The Nimrod is saving lives in operational theatres every day. However, if it was not safe we would not be flying it; it is safe with the measures we have taken and that is why we will not be grounding the fleet.
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The families have already been paid
BBC News - Families of Nimrod crash victims receive compensation
BBC News - Families of Nimrod crash victims receive compensation
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Absolutely Nige. Its worth quoting Des Browne in December 2007 when he announced that "the families will not have to fight for compensation through the civil courts". Yeh right, but the MoD will push it to the wire before paying up! Downsizer is just a lying troll, I should ignore him.
Clearly this case was about the money.
Given MoD have been in denial for 4 years on Nimrod XV230, 23 years since the systemic nature of the problem was first notified (11th January 1987 to AMSO) and 20 years since specifically notified on Nimrod (12th September 1990 to AMSO), then I respectfully submit there are demonstrably very guilty people out there who are far more deserving of your ire.
Tapper's Dad et al stood up to be counted whereas others did not, merely emerging from the shadows to have an occasional potshot. A bit like senior staffs in MoD in fact.
Downsizer is just a lying troll, I should ignore him.
Just because I don't agree with the rest of you does not make me a troll.
I do hope that it is £15M for the whole crew and not each family - that would be outrageous otherwise. Just over £1M per family would be about right (IMHO).
Sadly, that'll be another £15M from the defence budget that will not go to the front line and will probably cost someone else's life as the MoD can't afford the right kit (I know its an unlikely "probably", but the pay out could have this consequence).
Anyway, if it's any comfort I believe that the MoD is learning its lesson from XV230 from all the shenanigans going on with MRA4. They are raking over that aircraft with a very fine toothcomb from what I hear...
It's just sad that we had to lose good people to reinvigorate what we had years before.
LJ
Sadly, that'll be another £15M from the defence budget that will not go to the front line and will probably cost someone else's life as the MoD can't afford the right kit (I know its an unlikely "probably", but the pay out could have this consequence).
Anyway, if it's any comfort I believe that the MoD is learning its lesson from XV230 from all the shenanigans going on with MRA4. They are raking over that aircraft with a very fine toothcomb from what I hear...
It's just sad that we had to lose good people to reinvigorate what we had years before.
LJ
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Surely the Haddon-Crave report should have settled the famlies concerns. Clearly this case was about the money. Why should compensation in wartime differ between a fire/expolsion caused by an explosion and that by the enemy.
The other - Airworthiness - is not only quantifiable, it was assessed, measured, documented and subsequently ignored by those whose job it was to provide a duty of care to the crew who lost their lives.
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I have. They were murdered by the IRA.
However, I will not apologise for pointing out that your original comment is highly inappropriate as, itself, it impugns the integrity of the Nimrod families and their reasons for maintaining their successful campaign.
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A million equates roughly to 16-20 years service based upon PA spine fiqures. Sounds like a fair deal to me rather then a billy bonus. The budget that pays is unlikely to be the same as that for operation procurement and the emotional stress that such comments will invoke are IMHO unfair. I am quite sure that most would prefer not to be in this situation in the first place, although I have met a merry widow in the past 