EU employment Laws v PVR times?

[serf]

Only the first £30,000 is tax free.

[teeteringhead]

the grass is always greener etc.

... or as Stephen Fry once memorably put it:

"The other man's @rse is always cleaner!"

[Jayand]

If your leaving in a few years anyway then the prospect of being forced to go early with some extra cash, albeit less that it use to be sounds pretty good.
Very little is as good as it used to be in the Airforce so the redundancy package likewise reflects that.

[Aeronut]

If you're leaving in a few years anyway then the prospect of being forced to go early with some extra cash, albeit less that it use to be sounds pretty good.

Very true. I suspect if they were to simply relax the rules to allow those eligible for an immediate pension to draw from the Normal Rates table:

http://www.rafcom.co.uk/pay_allowanc...Retirement.pdf

instead of the abated (by between 3% and 10% I think) PVR table:

http://www.rafcom.co.uk/pay_allowanc...sionsonPVR.pdf

then many would go quite quickly ahead of their next option point.

Not wanting to surrender what is already earnt and take a hit on flying pay eligibility is a major factor holding folks in to the next option point.

[Hugh FW]

It looks like the impending redundancies have forced a reduction in payouts to 9 months max if you're past your IPP.

I think the last paper I saw (dated 2006?) had 12 months basic for 05 and 9 for 75? Can anyone confirm please?

Also, the new details don't seem to discriminate between the two schemes, am I reading this correctly? Same for both now?

Rgds

HFW

[Hugh FW]

I think I am answering my own previous question. After speed reading the whole of the document that rusty monkey linked us to in post #18, there was the following para in the explanatory notes -

"Articles 3 to 16 in Part 2, set out the Armed Forces Redundancy Scheme 2010, (“AFRS 2010”). This applies to members of the armed forces who were eligible to join the AFPS 1975 and who do not belong to the Armed Forces Pension Scheme 2005 (“the AFPS 2005”). Under the AFRS 2010, different entitlements arise depending on whether service ceases before 1st April 2013."

It looks like the linked document only applies to AFPS75 members and not those on the 05 scheme.

Could someone please confirm this and does anyone have a link to the redundancy scheme for those on AFPS05?

Thanks

HFW

[the_boy_syrup]

I know someone (non aircrew) who came for an interview at the company where I work
He was offered the job and told to ring when he could start as he was at Aldergrove
He rang to say the RAF had accepted a weeks notice and signed him off
He requested another few days to get his stuff back and that was it he started here within two weeks

My bruv (techie Cpl) banged in for redundancy and was gone within a month cash in pocket in fact it was 7 weeks he hung on to do Red Flag

Perhaps an urban myth but there was talk of a pilot at Wittering who just refused to have anything to do with the RAF
Handed back his wages every month didn't come to work
Eventually they let him go

[Pontius Navigator]

TBS, there are so many of these rumours flying around that there must be truth in a lot of them. They probably reason that the hastle of retaining someone who doesn't want to stay is not worth it.

If they try and jump to avoid an OOA then they might take that differently.

I have come across several aircrew who were time serving and quite fairly they were almost a complete waste of space. They came to work, they answered the phones and did nothing else. They were barely functional.

[Blighter Pilot]

Could someone please confirm this and does anyone have a link to the redundancy scheme for those on AFPS05?

At the moment there is no redundancy paperwork associated with AFPS05.

[rusty_monkey]

Redundancy package AFPS05

There is a paper on the AFPS 05 but I can't find it again (Long night shift found it by accident). Quite day in work tomorrow so I shall trawl through and find it again and post a link

Rgds,
R_M

That was easy for those of you with access to the Defence intranet look follow the link:

http://defenceintranetds.diiweb.r.mi...t%20no%203.pdf

For those of you that don't try searching for JSP 764 pt 5

[Hugh FW]

Thanks guys.

The more I read the available documents (previously linked) and the JSP764 pt 5s, I get the impression the 2010 redundacy paper was to fill the void left unresolved for AFPS75 covering Apr 2010 until Mar 2013.

Perhaps the AFPS05 terms are still covered by the 2006 redundancy terms?

I suppose it will all come out in the wash, on 20 Oct.

HFW

[Melchett01]

Incidentally, what is the Reserve commitment for ex-regulars these days? Indeed, is there still a Reserve liability for former regular personnel, and if so, does the nature / length of this commitment depend on how you leave e.g PVR or compulsory retirement with accompanying pension rights?

I would have thought that if the MOD is paying you a pension, they would probably try to argue that they have a claim on you as a Reservist and that change of career might not be as peaceful or productive as you might have hoped for.

Just a question out of curiosity as we were talking about it at work but no-one seemed to know the answer.

[Army Mover]

Originally Posted by Melchett01

Incidentally, what is the Reserve commitment for ex-regulars these days?

I believe they have a varying degree of a hold on you that declines as time goes on. That said, I never heard a peep from them since the day I left. I guess if you're in a pinch trade/group, you may have a greater liability for recall than us mere logisticians.

[Al R]

I suppose it will all come out in the wash, on 20 Oct.

Hugh,

John Hutton's Public Service Pensions Commission should publish a provisional review just before that. I imagine that thinking will be formed by a combo of the two reports.

[Hugh FW]

Thanks Al. I wasn't aware of Hutton's report.

HFW

[Al R]

Independent Public Service Pensions Commission - HM Treasury

Existing accrued pension rights will be protected.

The window of opportunity for evidence submissions was just a few weeks.

[vfr into cloud]

let hope John Hutton's Public Service Pensions Commission is all we hope for then,
however,
im not holding my breath for too long, we all now who the winners and loser will be dont we...

vfr