"General Two Dinners" - CGS
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"General Two Dinners" - CGS
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He cuts an imposing figure at 6ft 2in and nearly 20 stone.
But Britain's new Army chief – who ordered a tougher training regime for troops – has had to buy a bigger uniform because his old one is too tight.
General Sir Peter Wall, 55, who took over as Chief of the General Staff this week and is known as a 'big eater', was measured up for a new Service Dress uniform at a cost of £1,000, which he paid for himself.
A military source said: 'A tailor had to come into the office because the jacket and trousers on the old one were too small for him.
'The general is a very big, imposing man, but you would never tell him that.'
A keen rugby player in his youth, the burly ex-Paratrooper, nicknamed 'the Bear', is known to enjoy his food and likes a drink with dinner. His favourite tipples are whisky, wine and port
One colleague recalled last night how ten years ago, while visiting Scotland as commander of 16 Air Assault Brigade, Sir Peter ordered a young major to get him two portions of fish and chips.
The major returned with only one portion. When the general asked where the second portion was, the hapless major admitted he had eaten it, believing he was being treated to a fish and chip supper by his boss.
But Sir Peter barked out: 'Go and get me the other portion. I'm hungry.'
In his previous role as Commander in Chief of Land Forces, General Wall ordered a review of physical training of troops to prepare them for combat in Afghanistan.
The popular £165,000-a-year general is regarded as one of the military's best brains and served as the head of operations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. All officers and soldiers are supposed to pass an annual battle fitness test but Sir Peter has not had one for ten years.
He has never been turned away from action. When he was pictured at an Airborne Forces parade in Colchester, Essex, in July, his uniform certainly appeared close fitting.
An Army source said: 'Sir Peter used to be super-fit when he played rugby, but his job now is as a commander and strategist rather than serving in a more active operational role. 'His size certainly has no effect on his abilities to carry out his duties.'
An Army spokeswoman said: 'The Army takes fitness very seriously. It is vital to ensure our soldiers have the strength and stamina to cope with physical challenges of operations as tough as any we have had to cope with in several decades.'
Read more: General Two Dinners forks out £1,000 for XXL uniform... Embarrassment for 20-stone Army chief who ordered tough new fitness tests for troops | Mail Online
Read more: General Two Dinners forks out £1,000 for XXL uniform... Embarrassment for 20-stone Army chief who ordered tough new fitness tests for troops | Mail Online]
I guess this opens the door to all the people that have been dismissed for not doing their fitness tests then?
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He cuts an imposing figure at 6ft 2in and nearly 20 stone.
But Britain's new Army chief – who ordered a tougher training regime for troops – has had to buy a bigger uniform because his old one is too tight.
General Sir Peter Wall, 55, who took over as Chief of the General Staff this week and is known as a 'big eater', was measured up for a new Service Dress uniform at a cost of £1,000, which he paid for himself.
A military source said: 'A tailor had to come into the office because the jacket and trousers on the old one were too small for him.
'The general is a very big, imposing man, but you would never tell him that.'
A keen rugby player in his youth, the burly ex-Paratrooper, nicknamed 'the Bear', is known to enjoy his food and likes a drink with dinner. His favourite tipples are whisky, wine and port
One colleague recalled last night how ten years ago, while visiting Scotland as commander of 16 Air Assault Brigade, Sir Peter ordered a young major to get him two portions of fish and chips.
The major returned with only one portion. When the general asked where the second portion was, the hapless major admitted he had eaten it, believing he was being treated to a fish and chip supper by his boss.
But Sir Peter barked out: 'Go and get me the other portion. I'm hungry.'
In his previous role as Commander in Chief of Land Forces, General Wall ordered a review of physical training of troops to prepare them for combat in Afghanistan.
The popular £165,000-a-year general is regarded as one of the military's best brains and served as the head of operations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. All officers and soldiers are supposed to pass an annual battle fitness test but Sir Peter has not had one for ten years.
He has never been turned away from action. When he was pictured at an Airborne Forces parade in Colchester, Essex, in July, his uniform certainly appeared close fitting.
An Army source said: 'Sir Peter used to be super-fit when he played rugby, but his job now is as a commander and strategist rather than serving in a more active operational role. 'His size certainly has no effect on his abilities to carry out his duties.'
An Army spokeswoman said: 'The Army takes fitness very seriously. It is vital to ensure our soldiers have the strength and stamina to cope with physical challenges of operations as tough as any we have had to cope with in several decades.'
Read more: General Two Dinners forks out £1,000 for XXL uniform... Embarrassment for 20-stone Army chief who ordered tough new fitness tests for troops | Mail Online
Read more: General Two Dinners forks out £1,000 for XXL uniform... Embarrassment for 20-stone Army chief who ordered tough new fitness tests for troops | Mail Online]
I guess this opens the door to all the people that have been dismissed for not doing their fitness tests then?
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The guy looks like he's in his late 50's, and is a former para. Who gives a rats ass, if he is good at his job.
Sir Jock Stirrup is built like a twiglet, but has repeatedly been found wanting as CDS.
Make up your minds what you want.
Sir Jock Stirrup is built like a twiglet, but has repeatedly been found wanting as CDS.
Make up your minds what you want.
I would suggest that most of the people 'that's not playing well for' at the moment are in their early 20's and unlikely to have achieved the level of fitness required to join the airborne forces. When they have, and they are in their late 50's, maybe they can take issue with the gentleman then.
Let's not have another bleep test p1ssing match, although it has been a month or so since the last one.
Let's not have another bleep test p1ssing match, although it has been a month or so since the last one.
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MGD
He's 55yrs old and he hasn't done a fitness test in 10 years - does that mean that everyone over 45yrs old need not bother? What about Staff Officers? We can't have one rule for one and one for another can we?
Runaway Gun
"Maybe the General has a valid medical reason". What about these people? Supposedly, they're being asked to leave because they're injured...
Veterans criticise leaked 'plan' to rid Army of injured soldiers (From Herald Series)
I know it's all a bit "Devil's Advocate", but I think this stinks! He should get his 3 warnings like everyone else, if he fails the 3rd then "out!". It might open up the promotion quotas again then!?
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He's 55yrs old and he hasn't done a fitness test in 10 years - does that mean that everyone over 45yrs old need not bother? What about Staff Officers? We can't have one rule for one and one for another can we?
Runaway Gun
"Maybe the General has a valid medical reason". What about these people? Supposedly, they're being asked to leave because they're injured...
Veterans criticise leaked 'plan' to rid Army of injured soldiers (From Herald Series)
I know it's all a bit "Devil's Advocate", but I think this stinks! He should get his 3 warnings like everyone else, if he fails the 3rd then "out!". It might open up the promotion quotas again then!?
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To be honest, I would prefer not to have another valuable senior officer phys obsessed to the extent that he drops down dead, with all the disruption to command that must cause.
But then again, thats not the message seniority are pushing out is it?
Perhaps a more pragmatic approach wrt to the fitness test would be better?
You know, like we had before the phys wallahs got all "administrative action" wrt to the fitness test, a system that didnt stop us winning the battle of Britain, the Falklands, the first gulf war and all the other minor ops the RAF was involved in?
You are either fit to do your job, or you are not. Its as simple as that really, isnt it. You arent fit, you get 1021'd, lose your pay until you are fit or choose to leave. Its that simple.
But then again, thats not the message seniority are pushing out is it?
Perhaps a more pragmatic approach wrt to the fitness test would be better?
You know, like we had before the phys wallahs got all "administrative action" wrt to the fitness test, a system that didnt stop us winning the battle of Britain, the Falklands, the first gulf war and all the other minor ops the RAF was involved in?
You are either fit to do your job, or you are not. Its as simple as that really, isnt it. You arent fit, you get 1021'd, lose your pay until you are fit or choose to leave. Its that simple.
Wonder how many of 'the few' had to can flying for the morning to get down the gym and run 20m shuttles before their boss lost all ability to run a Sqn due to all the paperwork from the mat stackers.
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Really, thats the way it should work. Sengo to chief - chief, you need to get down the gym and cut back on the pies. you have till your next ojar to get this sorted.
Ie, management, Vs the complete and utter job justifying bollox we currently have, generated by, guess what, 2 trades that could very easily be contractorised in SDSR, admin and PEd.
Ie, management, Vs the complete and utter job justifying bollox we currently have, generated by, guess what, 2 trades that could very easily be contractorised in SDSR, admin and PEd.
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Vin Rouge
I agree with you. Maybe the new CGS will attack the new muscle-mechanic built empire with a dose of common sense? Somehow, though I suspect not, that is, until someone sues the Services for more money that we do not have.
The B Word
I agree with you. Maybe the new CGS will attack the new muscle-mechanic built empire with a dose of common sense? Somehow, though I suspect not, that is, until someone sues the Services for more money that we do not have.
The B Word
What a stupid statement to make......
I have been doing the fitness test since it was introduced in 1993. That's quite a few. Of those Ive watched wait behind as I left, most seemed to be in their 20's.
Your experience may be different, but I assure you from discussions in the crewroom, many seem to have shared my experience of watching a fairish percentage of 20 somethings fail.
Of those, many are unlikely to have passed Sandhurst, pre-para and P Coy as the CDS will have done in his youth.
So which bit of the statement is stupid?
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The bit that assumes said youth would ever consider applying for sandhurst, p cy etc and instead settle in a service that uses brains rather than brawn. Using someone past track record to justify later Ills is like saying shipman is still a good doctor because he passed med school. And that's not how the regs currently read.
Hmmm, no actually I disagree with your Shipman analogy.
That would suggest that the CDS was mad, or his judgement was in question. Neither of these seem to be the case, he is just a little portly.
Torpy was always very keen with regards to the RAFFT, but was probably the poorest CAS in a generation. Are we saying that Torpy was a good leader because he was up to date RAFFT?
I am not disagreeing with you, just merely pointing out that there is more to running a branch of the armed forces than just the ability to trot up and down a gym, especially when you reach CGS and are of advancing years.
The Chief Tech analogy works no better. One would hope that the General was unlikely to be supervising an engine change in the desert.
That would suggest that the CDS was mad, or his judgement was in question. Neither of these seem to be the case, he is just a little portly.
Torpy was always very keen with regards to the RAFFT, but was probably the poorest CAS in a generation. Are we saying that Torpy was a good leader because he was up to date RAFFT?
I am not disagreeing with you, just merely pointing out that there is more to running a branch of the armed forces than just the ability to trot up and down a gym, especially when you reach CGS and are of advancing years.
The Chief Tech analogy works no better. One would hope that the General was unlikely to be supervising an engine change in the desert.
I bet you are one of these old Chief Techs built like a whippet and is good at running
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What a load of ill-informed garbage. The man is over 55 years of age. The Army annual fitness tests are not compulsary for anyone over 50. He is a brave and decorated para who was super fit and tough as nails when it was required. The prats who condemn him for lack of leadership should grow up. They would probably not recognise leadership if it bit them on the arse.