"General Two Dinners" - CGS
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Just my 2 pence worth:
1. Fitness is important.
2. Self Motivation is important.
3. Fitness is an indicator of Self Motivation.
4. Inteligence is important.
5. Effective Avoidance of Sh*te, Admin Triv', is an example of inteligence.
6. The Motivation, to consistently and effectively avoid Sh*te admin Triv', displays 2 and 4.
7. Sh*te Admin 'Triv-ites' display typically neither 2 or 4 but might be able to run up and down a gym.
8. Treat people as Monkeys- They act like Monkeys.
9. Treat people as Adults, they 'usually' act like adults.
10. See 1.
(11. Treat the whole Armed forces as a Super Cost Cutting Exercise, while we are in or about to be in a whole bunch of pooh, and see 1-9)
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1. Fitness is important.
2. Self Motivation is important.
3. Fitness is an indicator of Self Motivation.
4. Inteligence is important.
5. Effective Avoidance of Sh*te, Admin Triv', is an example of inteligence.
6. The Motivation, to consistently and effectively avoid Sh*te admin Triv', displays 2 and 4.
7. Sh*te Admin 'Triv-ites' display typically neither 2 or 4 but might be able to run up and down a gym.
8. Treat people as Monkeys- They act like Monkeys.
9. Treat people as Adults, they 'usually' act like adults.
10. See 1.
(11. Treat the whole Armed forces as a Super Cost Cutting Exercise, while we are in or about to be in a whole bunch of pooh, and see 1-9)
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Inteligence is important.
General Wall is indeed an imposing figure. Just as Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf was in GW1. No-one told him he was perhaps a bit on the chubby side. Well, if they did then they probably didn't do so twice....
My Harrier comment was a snipe at the RAF's fast jet-centricity, not at the General's avoirdupois!
Gen Wall sounds like the sort of leader who is revered by all ranks - a rare attribute indeed these days, it seems.
It is with some distress I note the ramblings of a bunch of brain dead loonies with little better to do than rant about the appointment of a slightly portly gentleman who, in his later years is about to step into a highly critical and demanding position. That the individual has had a distinguished career to date, acquitted himself well so far, has by all accounts an above average brain and is highly regarded by those who have served with him seems to be of no account. There are far too many people venting their spleens who need to get a life. We need leaders with a proven track record, let’s cut the BS and get on with some good management
A 55-year old corporal? I thought that the only one of those was a certain Cpl A. Hitler....
Although the phrase 'Fit for purpose' would seem perhaps relevant?
Although the phrase 'Fit for purpose' would seem perhaps relevant?
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As I recall, in the winter months when colds and 'flu were rife, it was the 'Jock Strappers' who spent most time off sick, not the more portly amongst us.
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Nep Rex, I have to agree with you. I was averagely fit in my time in the mob (wimps with the occasional beasties in FI and never failed a fitness test) but I worked with some incredibly fit guys and, to a man, they struggled on any Exercise of more than 3-4 days (Whirlygig et al) when they couldn't do their 10m daily run. Something to do with endorphins I believe. No thoroughbreds please just fit plodders for me.
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Stop press. Hold the front page:
Man buys some clothes with his own money!
It's not exactly earth-shattering is it. Typical gutter-rag space filling crap. What is the point of this article?
Man buys some clothes with his own money!
It's not exactly earth-shattering is it. Typical gutter-rag space filling crap. What is the point of this article?
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Peter Wall is an exceptional officer and leader. I doubt whether you will find much disagreement amongst people who have worked for him.
He absolutely wipes the floor with our current crop of senior officers. End of story.
He absolutely wipes the floor with our current crop of senior officers. End of story.
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I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Codswallop.
Anyway, all officers have to buy their own replacement uniforms. What they didn't mention in the article is that he would also get £400 tax relief on his purchase.
Anyway, all officers have to buy their own replacement uniforms. What they didn't mention in the article is that he would also get £400 tax relief on his purchase.
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Gents do you not think there is a bit of a difference between a racing snake jockstrapper who always has time off for sport but comes down with sports related injurys when the going gets tough etc etc and yon fat liney who can fix umpty billion jets in minus 300C but carries some freight?
There is a bit of middle ground - the average guy who does the average phys and keeps it together..
Just bloody do it - exercise makes you fell good.
There is a bit of middle ground - the average guy who does the average phys and keeps it together..
Just bloody do it - exercise makes you fell good.
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As an ex Sapper myself I can vouch for the fact that anyone volunteering for Para first had to pass the 9 Sqn pre-para, which was daunting.
Not just anyone got to command 9 Sqn, it could be a career breaker. The Sapper para sqn would lead the entire Airborne Brigade into battle, no room for any kind of screw ups, only the very best leaders will do.
The kind of determination and qualities of endurance that it takes to get through para training would probably get an overweight fifty five year old through the annual test and leave some people half his age looking a bit sick.
Not just anyone got to command 9 Sqn, it could be a career breaker. The Sapper para sqn would lead the entire Airborne Brigade into battle, no room for any kind of screw ups, only the very best leaders will do.
The kind of determination and qualities of endurance that it takes to get through para training would probably get an overweight fifty five year old through the annual test and leave some people half his age looking a bit sick.
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Originally Posted by BEagle
A 55-year old corporal?
They don't all end up invading Poland ....
One rule for one, one rule for another - no one that I can see if disagreeing about his man's abilities ( they are truly amazing!). However, you cannot have from the top - in this and age say: "do as I say, not as I do!"
Surely, regardless of rank, or service if you don't cut the mark, you face the consequences! How can this man, look his troops in the eyes and say; yes your getting kicked out because you can't pass the fitness test, but it's Ok I'm different, I'm better, I don't have to pass it!!
Surely, regardless of rank, or service if you don't cut the mark, you face the consequences! How can this man, look his troops in the eyes and say; yes your getting kicked out because you can't pass the fitness test, but it's Ok I'm different, I'm better, I don't have to pass it!!
Verrry interesting.
Shouldn't the debate be more on the recognition of the medical standards?
Shouldn't a 55 y.o General be able to do what 55 yo Generals do, or for interest how many 35 yo Generals are there. Shouldn't a CPL be able to do what CPL need to do irrelevant of age ?
Isn't this along the lines of requirements for the job. If I want to keep flying I have to pass the required fitness test, irrelevant of age. Mind you there is a different standard for us youngsters.
When was the last time a General led the lads over the top?
Shouldn't the debate be more on the recognition of the medical standards?
Shouldn't a 55 y.o General be able to do what 55 yo Generals do, or for interest how many 35 yo Generals are there. Shouldn't a CPL be able to do what CPL need to do irrelevant of age ?
Isn't this along the lines of requirements for the job. If I want to keep flying I have to pass the required fitness test, irrelevant of age. Mind you there is a different standard for us youngsters.
When was the last time a General led the lads over the top?
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Having met and spent some time with the guy I will lay odds on that there are pictures in "Soldier" magazine of him completing his BFT within the next couple of months.
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I say again, in the Army there are no fitness tests for the over 50s. I remember with pleasure completing my own last one successfully may moons ago and breathing a sigh of relief.
The General is not saying one thing and doing another. Why can't you crabs get it? Lack of physical fitness at his age is not something you can accuse this man of. I bet he could still run most of you off your feet.
The General is not saying one thing and doing another. Why can't you crabs get it? Lack of physical fitness at his age is not something you can accuse this man of. I bet he could still run most of you off your feet.