F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
but it is an interceptor too!
...the F35 [is] a strike fighter not an interceptor and I doubt anybody is dumb enough to try and use one as such.
The RAAF was proposing a solely F35 fleet.
Now it will be mixed with the (currently) 24 SH. The SH was the replacement (sort of) for the F111, not the F/A18
cheers
layman
The RAAF was proposing a solely F35 fleet.
Now it will be mixed with the (currently) 24 SH. The SH was the replacement (sort of) for the F111, not the F/A18
cheers
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Originally Posted by keesje
Of course the Australians didn't start their own program...
Originally Posted by keesje
...and it becomes clear countries like Australia, Japan, Taiwan are getting nervous and have started their own, independent programs...
Originally Posted by keesje
Even the frigg'n Iranians are developping a light stealth fighter.
Originally Posted by keesje
The Japanese are starting to loose their patience begging for F22s.
Quit while you're ahe...behind Keesje!
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12 (of 75?) F-35Bs for Singapore Soonish?
Singapore Poised To Announce Purchase Of 12 F-35Bs By Colin Clark 25 March 2013
Singapore Poised To Announce Purchase Of 12 F-35Bs
"WASHINGTON: Singapore is expected to announce sometime in the next 10 days that it plans to buy its first squadron --12 planes -- of some 75 of Lockheed Martin's F-35Bs,
Singapore Poised To Announce Purchase Of 12 F-35Bs
"WASHINGTON: Singapore is expected to announce sometime in the next 10 days that it plans to buy its first squadron --12 planes -- of some 75 of Lockheed Martin's F-35Bs,
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I am still going with Project Cancelled.
Single engine.
Can't land where it doesn't burn up the ground.
Cannot be fitted with an arrester hook.
Stealth = overated.
And, very very very expensive.
Cancel it and build/buy something more practical.
Single engine.
Can't land where it doesn't burn up the ground.
Cannot be fitted with an arrester hook.
Stealth = overated.
And, very very very expensive.
Cancel it and build/buy something more practical.
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Stuffy,
So was Harrier.
Not true.
It's a STOVL jet, no need for a hook. If you need a hook buy F-35C.
Ask a pilot, would you rather have it or not have it doing the sort of missions envisaged? If it gives them a better chance of surviving I'd suggest they'll want it.
Maybe you have a point on this one.
What other jets do you know that can go off a ski jump that are politically acceptable to UK?
So was Harrier.
Not true.
It's a STOVL jet, no need for a hook. If you need a hook buy F-35C.
Ask a pilot, would you rather have it or not have it doing the sort of missions envisaged? If it gives them a better chance of surviving I'd suggest they'll want it.
Maybe you have a point on this one.
What other jets do you know that can go off a ski jump that are politically acceptable to UK?
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In my opinion this is excellent news. I personally can not see F35 being cancelled. This buy only goes on to strengthen the case of the aircraft, globally and in the Pacific.
The UK is correct to continue with the purchase of the Lightning II, it will be a formidable platform for many years to come operating from the maritime and land environment.
FNS
The UK is correct to continue with the purchase of the Lightning II, it will be a formidable platform for many years to come operating from the maritime and land environment.
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RAF Marham to be the base for the next generation of fast jet strike aircraft - News - Eastern Daily Press
Mr Hammon said Marham had always been the first choice to be home for the Lightning II.
He said the joint strike fighter will be based at Marham as part of a combined RAF and Royal Naval force which would operate the aircraft both from land bases and future aircraft carriers.
“That’s extremely good news for this station, extremely good news for this community and extremely good news for the RAF and Royal Navy.
I know you will share with me the excitement of having the world’s most advanced fighter aircraft based here and operating from here.”
Mr Hammon said Marham had always been the first choice to be home for the Lightning II.
He said the joint strike fighter will be based at Marham as part of a combined RAF and Royal Naval force which would operate the aircraft both from land bases and future aircraft carriers.
“That’s extremely good news for this station, extremely good news for this community and extremely good news for the RAF and Royal Navy.
I know you will share with me the excitement of having the world’s most advanced fighter aircraft based here and operating from here.”
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I'm sorry...you call that fibreglass mockup joke of a thing they did, a development?
What "independant program" is Taiwan doing by the way?
Quit while you're ahe...behind FoxtrotAlpha18
That's funny, Peter, the close air support I worked and helped coordinate for our own and coalition forces in Afghanistan included Warthogs. The ground commanders I worked directly with always wanted more Warthog.
What were you saying, again?
What were you saying, again?
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Looks like Commander Ward doesn't like the F-35 in his latest missive from Sharkeys World 
Commander Ward on the F-35
Coff.
Commander Ward on the F-35
Coff.
Indeed not, Ian. The SHAR fails on almost every point. But you have to be fascinated by a guy who's blogs have an executive summary. I did try to put JSFfan up against him a while back, but there was no interest. Maybe he wasn't so sure of his ground after all.
I'm sure the Minister will read Sharkey's 'paper' with interest.
I'm sure the Minister will read Sharkey's 'paper' with interest.
Given that only one appears to have been lost during and since OIF, I'd treat that with a fair amount of suspicion.
Op Desert Storm had four Hog losses, mostly to MANPADS and SHORAD.
Op Desert Storm had four Hog losses, mostly to MANPADS and SHORAD.
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I know this has been mentioned before. B.a.e to produce a naval Typhoon, create and safeguard jobs and get in my opinion a better aircraft.
Stuffy wrote,
Stuffy,
Your reply to WhiteOvies shows that you don't understand the F-35 variants. The only variant fitted for arrested carrier recovery is the F-35C. You do understand why the F-35B doesn't require an arrester hook? Did you also want a hook on the Harrier?
https://www.f35.com/the-f-35/f-35-ov...35b-stovl.aspx
https://www.f35.com/the-f-35/f-35-ov.../f-35c-cv.aspx
F-35C
https://www.f35.com/the-f-35/f-35-ov...role-variants/
Cannot be fitted with an arrester hook.
Your reply to WhiteOvies shows that you don't understand the F-35 variants. The only variant fitted for arrested carrier recovery is the F-35C. You do understand why the F-35B doesn't require an arrester hook? Did you also want a hook on the Harrier?
https://www.f35.com/the-f-35/f-35-ov...35b-stovl.aspx
https://www.f35.com/the-f-35/f-35-ov.../f-35c-cv.aspx
F-35C
The aircraft is designed to operate from large aircraft carriers using catapult launch and arrested recovery.
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Former USN chief suggests DOD should cancel F-35A in favour of C-model
Another senior official also says CAPE is looking at eliminating the A-model. "During the latest sequestration drill, CAPE took another run on cutting out one of the variants of the JSF," he says.
"The argument is the air force should do it and buy the C version. I went through that drill before, but it lost legs."
Additionally, three former officials also say their information suggests CAPE is once again examining the cancellation of the F-35A model jet.
CAPE had previously studied terminating the F-35A at the behest of then-undersecretary of defense for acquisitions, technology and logistics John Young, during his tenure which ended in 2009.
"The argument is the air force should do it and buy the C version. I went through that drill before, but it lost legs."
Additionally, three former officials also say their information suggests CAPE is once again examining the cancellation of the F-35A model jet.
CAPE had previously studied terminating the F-35A at the behest of then-undersecretary of defense for acquisitions, technology and logistics John Young, during his tenure which ended in 2009.
No need to ask any allies, or even consider their interests.
IMO Europe needs it own next generation fighter bomber.
And at the same time.....
But Air Force pilots dismiss the idea of flying a heavier fighter jet, and instead propose that the Marine Corps abandon its version, the F-35B, arguing that its costly helicopter-style landing feature is useful only at air shows.
Prices soar, enthusiasm dives for F-35 Lightning; pilots worry about visibility problem - Washington Times
But Air Force pilots dismiss the idea of flying a heavier fighter jet, and instead propose that the Marine Corps abandon its version, the F-35B, arguing that its costly helicopter-style landing feature is useful only at air shows.
Prices soar, enthusiasm dives for F-35 Lightning; pilots worry about visibility problem - Washington Times
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New Pentagon super fighter will get pilots shot down, warns report - Washington Times
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Prices soar, enthusiasm dives for F-35 Lightning; pilots worry about visibility problem - Washington Times
Like the song says it's a long way to the top.............
The report shows that the F-35A “is flawed beyond redemption,” commented POGO staffer and veteran defense spending analyst Winslow Wheeler.
Prices soar, enthusiasm dives for F-35 Lightning; pilots worry about visibility problem - Washington Times
Pentagon officials have said in audit reports that the F-35’s 30-year, $1 trillion operating bill is not affordable.
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