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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

Old 9th Aug 2017, 10:26
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I like some good ole sput in my nik but WTF F-16.net has the GAO report here:

F-35 FOM Follow On Modernisation GAO 686436
http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=25129 (PDF 300Kb)
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 10:44
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From the report above.

"....Going forward, an area of potential concern we identified is the apparent planned concurrency between Block 4 development and the procurement of Block 4 aircraft. Our assessment of DOD’s most recent Block 4 schedule (from August 2016) indicates that DOD was planning to request funding in February 2018 to purchase the first aircraft with the initial increment of Block 4 capabilities. This will come as part of DOD’s fiscal year 2019 budget request, more than 2 years before the development and testing of the first increment is complete. In addition, program and officials acknowledged that the aircraft’s current data processor is operating at maximum capacity, and an updated processor with increased capacity is likely needed for the first increment of Block 4 to function as intended. F-35 program officials acknowledge this risk and note that an updated processor may not be available until the second increment of Block 4. This poses a risk that the testing and delivery of the first increment of Block 4 capability may not be achievable as planned. As a result, DOD may be negotiating prices for those aircraft without knowing if or when the more advanced capabilities will be delivered and whether they will function as required. Consequently, Congress will be faced with the challenge of making funding decisions with limited information. Figure 1 illustrates this concern.

According to our past work, programs that limit concurrency between development and procurement are more likely to deliver promised capabilities within estimated cost and schedule parameters. Concurrency has been a significant contributor to many of the problems with the baseline F-35 acquisition program, which is currently expected to cost more than $104 billion, or 45 percent, over the original estimate, and to be more than 5 years behind schedule. As of April 2016, DOD estimates a total of nearly $2 billion in concurrency costs in the baseline program.

We are not making any recommendations at this time because program officials told us that the concurrency issue is being considered as part of their reassessment of Block 4. We will therefore reassess this issue when DOD’s F-35 Block 4 baseline report is issued and brief the congressional defense committees on our findings."........
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 18:49
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OH well - the F-35Bs keep jumping that Sky de Ski - when will they ever lurn? [Pete Wilson first launch with Paveway IV & ASRAAM] + Camera Dummy AIM-9s
F-35B Loads Up for Ski Jump Testing 27 Jul 2017 Jeff Babione
"... At Pax River, the team is doing just that as they began another round of ski jump testing for the F-35B. For this second phase of F-35B ski jump testing, the intention is to expand acceptable wind envelopes and maximum gross weight capability, including carriage of external stores. This will provide the fleet with the capability to carry heavy store configurations in a wider range of weather conditions while operating on board the Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers, which will begin initial trials with the F-35B next year. So far, the jet has handled the heavier loads well and the plan is to progress through the rest of the testing including symmetric and asymmetric loadouts while carrying external GBU-12s, Paveway IV bombs, AIM-9X and AIM-132 missiles." https://a855196877272cb14560-2a4fa81...te_7_27_17.pdf (0.2Mb)
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 03:28
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Is the jockey in the ejection posture?

PS 130 million for a non stealth configuration your having a laugh..
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 04:14
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Sure. And he is hypoxic and battling skidmarks on his uderps to boot. Why not? He ain't stealfy - he's my brudda (from another mudda).
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 18:42
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 04:21
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A brand new Aircraft Carrier built for Ski Ramp VTOL Jets.....that are all grounded. That must put a dent in the Operational Sortie Tempo.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 04:23
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Got a link to where there is news that: "all STOVL F-35Bs are grounded" today or recently? Thanks.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 05:28
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Small problem with the O2 system?
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 05:34
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So the 'F-35B grounded' idea came to you as an early 'the sky is falling' moment? No links huh. Oh well the closest I can get today is a story about F-35As at LUKE AFB in 'merica wot are still puzzled by the oxymoronic hypoxifyingly difficult to solve OBOGS issues - but they still fly under 25,000 feet whilst no other base or variant of F-35 is thusly obliged.

Air Force looks toward lessening F-35 flight restrictions at Luke AFB 15 Aug 2017
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 20:19
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Haters are gonna hate. Facts don't matter.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 20:51
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Originally Posted by KenV View Post
Haters are gonna hate. Facts don't matter.

What part of pay billions before we design the new processor let alone test it and the software don't you understand?
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 20:53
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Small problem with the O2 system?

Not just the 35 to be fair......still at least the seat should work now..
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 16:39
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This interview of the VAAC Harrier test pilot is interesting:

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Old 16th Aug 2017, 20:56
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What part of pay billions before we design the new processor let alone test it and the software don't you understand?
Hmmmm. New processor?! What part of "Small problem with the O2 system?" is related to the processor? And what part of haters are gonna hate is hard to understand?
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 06:11
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Hmmmm. New processor?!
KenV, see my post #10704 above. Full report here. Being cynical (moi?), keeping it in the baseline program means further cost increases in the baseline can be claimed on the costs of adding "new capabilities".....

"The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is the Department of Defense’s (DOD) most expensive and ambitious acquisition program. In April 2017, we reported that acquisition costs alone are estimated at nearly $400 billion, and operating and sustainment costs are estimated to be over $1 trillion. Meanwhile, due to evolving threats and changing warfighting environments, DOD has begun planning and funding the development of new capabilities for the F-35, known as F- 35 follow-on modernization. The research, development, test and evaluation (RDT&E) funding needed for the first modernization phase, known as Block 4, is projected to be over $3.9 billion through 2022, which would exceed the statutory and regulatory thresholds for what constitutes a major defense acquisitions program (MDAP), and would make it more expensive than many of the other MDAPs already in DOD’s portfolio.

However, DOD does not plan to make the F-35 Block 4 a separate MDAP. Instead, DOD plans to manage it under the existing F-35 acquisition program baseline. As we recommended in our April 2016 report, the modernization program should be designated as its own separate MDAP, similar to the F-22 modernization program........"
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 01:19
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I note that the F-35 is still not cancelled.

Maybe it is time for a new thread?
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Now for SomethingCompletelyDifferent an zoom view of HUD during an SRVL showing particularly the ETR Engine Thrust Request along with the two nozzle deflections in lower left corner. KIAS is Top Left with RadAlt Height Top Right.

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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 12:35
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Originally Posted by SpazSinbad View Post
Now for SomethingCompletelyDifferent an zoom view of HUD during an SRVL showing particularly the ETR Engine Thrust Request along with the two nozzle deflections in lower left corner. KIAS is Top Left with RadAlt Height Top Right.

That was interesting, thanks Spaz. The HUD symbology is quite intuitive.
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Old 22nd Aug 2017, 13:10
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A WIDER view of the same SRVL approach.

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