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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

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Old 25th Dec 2016, 16:30
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Insane prices for nothing better [and in many ways less] than a GR9.
Glad Rag - I've operating experience of GR7, GR9, and F-35. I can assure you, the GR9 doesn't come close to the F-35's capabilities. Unless you've flown GR9, your statement is opinion, not fact.
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Same as always ms, you really shouldn't believe all you’ve been...told..however you are demonstrably more than capable of telling people what to think!

ps it's glad rag~~no false airs and graces from the bottom of these steps me ol' china

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Old 25th Dec 2016, 21:26
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Glad Rag, not at all me-old tyre kicker. Just telling how it is...from the cockpit.
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It's interesting to watch the figures for the final cost of each of the variants getting tossed around. I wonder what production runs these are based on, and what tail is on that dinosaur in terms of "off the production line" to "full systems cost" to "full life cycle cost." What's the number mean?
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Originally Posted by MSOCS
Glad Rag, not at all me-old tyre kicker. Just telling how it is...from the cockpit.
speaking of which. I had the good fortune to upgrade the GR7 that was fragged at Kanahar [?] frightening how the shrapnel passed through both intakes and fus behind cockpit....I guess the plastic pig will have better ballistic resistance then...oh hang on those "testing benchmarks" were cancelled to get the programme back on, er, track......

..now about electrical system[s] protection...yes interesting in light of THAT electrical fire..polyimide film insulation in any of it's little disguises? Shirley not, mind you it is still in use just "better protected" these days..
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 14:19
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
It's interesting to watch the figures for the final cost of each of the variants getting tossed around. I wonder what production runs these are based on, and what tail is on that dinosaur in terms of "off the production line" to "full systems cost" to "full life cycle cost." What's the number mean?
Who knows Lonewolf it's another of those F35 "secrets" that should be out there, in complete transparency and independently verified.

Perhaps we should ask Putin, he's BOUND to know after all, he DID rig your election...
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 14:34
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Who knows Lonewolf it's another of those F35 "secrets" that should be out there, in complete transparency and independently verified.

Perhaps we should ask Putin, he's BOUND to know after all, he DID rig your election...
Taken in order.
1. Nope. Classified program and capability.
2. Take the political BS to JB, if you please.
3. Merry Christmas/Happy Boxing Day ... as appropriate.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 17:08
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LW_50,

The price shouldn't be classified - it's not supposed to be - that's why Congress insists it's published.

The dirty little secret I found in my service was that by the far most secret caveat used to classify information was "Embarassment in Confidence" due to the harm it would cause to the person and party in power rather than the nation.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 22:07
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Can't really argue with the generalisation ORAC, however, I wouldn't believe that F-35 classified is a carpet under which embarrassment is swept.

Quite wrong in this instance.
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Old 27th Dec 2016, 15:58
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ORAC, "complete transparency" is what "nope, classified" was a response to.
As to "report less due to embarrassment" -- seen that as well, but that isn't the topic I was addressing. What I was addressing before the usual entropy arrived was the multiple ways that accounting is applied to the same program and the same money to get different answers, based on what it is you are charging for and over what time period.
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Old 30th Dec 2016, 06:36
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Next Big Future: Chief tester F-35 says F35 will not be ready for combat testing til 2019-2020 and F35C wings are not strong enough to carry missiles
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Old 30th Dec 2016, 06:45
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Thats an misleading - false- headline.
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Old 30th Dec 2016, 07:08
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How so? Slightly exaggerated perhaps - as are most - but false? No.

".....Operational combat testing that all weapons systems must pass will start in mid-2018 and be completed a year later. Gilmore labeled that “false.” Instead, he said the tests will commence “no sooner than late 2018, or, more likely, in early 2019 but could be as late as 2020.”.........

".....The Navy’s version of the plane, the F-35C, also has inadequate wing strength, Gilmore said. Its wingtips aren’t strong enough to carry the AIM-9X short-range air-to-air missile, a primary weapon, at some altitudes and airspeeds. Testing on a fix is under way."......
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Old 30th Dec 2016, 09:11
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So if Strumpf (what the Smurfs are called in France) did cancel or curtail F-35, just where would that leave the UK, RAF and FAA?
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Old 30th Dec 2016, 18:27
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Wander00, we'd be paddling the carriers up a creek without the proverbial paddle that's where.
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Old 30th Dec 2016, 22:12
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Obviously then we will pay whatever to ensure that scenario does not happen.
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Old 31st Dec 2016, 08:31
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Buy more helicopters and rename the QE "Ocean"................
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Old 31st Dec 2016, 15:24
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no sooner than late 2018
Isn't 2019-2020
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Old 31st Dec 2016, 15:42
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Give the "experts" who cancelled the catapults knighthoods?
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Old 31st Dec 2016, 17:43
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Only this afternoon walked past a boat yard where they were working on a bloody great paddle. He swore it was needed PDQ to 'push a couple of carriers far up a creek and out of sight'.
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