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Hawks Grounded (merged with Hawk Display Cancelled)

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Old 18th Aug 2010, 19:46
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through the mud in the national press and now on the local Welsh news!
Are we suggesting that the Welsh is worse or just slow?
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The poorly worded initial press release caused it to make the press. It needn't have mentioned any 'incident' with the Hawk Display Aircraft, or that the pilot had been 'removed'.

That got the matter discussed in lots of places where there is an interest in military avition and not just here - and no doubt roused the hack from his ethanol-induced stupor to dig around until he found someone willing to give him details of the 'incident' or HFOR.
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The poorly worded initial press release caused it to make the press. It needn't have mentioned any 'incident' with the Hawk Display Aircraft, or that the pilot had been 'removed'.
How could the press release have been worded to reduce speculation, without being misleading? It would be wrong to suggest that the pilot was ill/injured, or that the aircraft was not available for the rest of the season, and simply to offer no explanation would have led to even more erroneous speculation as well as accusations of a cover-up by the RAF. It may not have been handled perfectly, but no doubt it has been a tricky situation to manage; a lot of people were likely to be upset about the whole thing simply because they're disappointed that they won't see the display, no matter how the bad news was broken. And to expect the press to overlook the cancellation of a high-profile military display is probably unrealistic.
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 09:49
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They could just have said that all the creamies have had their tours cut short due to a decrease in student numbers, and have had to start TWU early to maintain a steady flow of pilots to the front line. That would be true and would not invite such adverse comment.

It's not rocket science, media relations, but boy are we good at screwing it up sometimes.
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That would be true
...but somewhat economical with the truth, and would have created a lot of adverse comment (eg RAF wastes money on numerous display work-up sorties only to cancel display half way through season etc).

"the pilot is unable to display due to operational reasons" or "... an internal matter"
The above suggestions would have generated at least as much idle speculation as there has been!

"the pilot is alleged to have (infringed some rules/ made an error / had a problem with his aircraft) and in the interests of flight safety has been temporarily grounded subject to an internal investigation"
...then when the grounding became evidently permanent, everyone would deduce he was guilty of the alleged crime!
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TOTD, if you scroll up you will see that the vagueness of the PR led someone to make scurrilous suggestion that had no bearing on what seems to be the issue.
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Pontius,

You're absolutely right - though I think some would have complained if the PR had been more specific (RAF should keep internal matters internal etc etc) while others would have been upset had no explanation been given.

I'm not claiming that the PR was ideal, nor am I claiming to be a media specialist, but I suspect that someone was tasked to put it out within a very tight deadline, with restrictions on what they could put, and they did their best in the time available.
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 17:21
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TOTD, yes, probably the the duty bod on a swing shift with a general tri-service brief.
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This whole sorry saga has the malodorous whiff of Senior Officers covering their anal cavities. The pilot must have undergone rigorous examination and competition to be given the job in the first place. With all that, plus his display practice experience, surely a debrief, followed by a temporary increase in minimum display height, with subsequent authorised lowering to absolute minima, should have solved the problem.
If ever the RAF needed a top display pilot, this was the season. If this 'Staff College Approach' to display flying gets any worse, all future displays in the UK will be by foreign military aircraft and civilians.
What a wasted opportunity.
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 23:08
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The handling of this "issue" may not be seen as perfect. But only Tom and those that are investigating know what the alleged issue is. Rather than random speculation such as the previous post about staff college graduates, would it not be better to let the issue lie. The media can speculate all they like, but they do that, often in a manner driven by this forum. For Tom's sake, should we not all stay quiet?
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 23:13
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...but somewhat economical with the truth
Nobody seriously expects any government agency to gush forth with the whole truth in response to bad news.

would have created a lot of adverse comment (eg RAF wastes money on numerous display work-up sorties only to cancel display half way through season etc).
....which could have been spun as "saving money on airshow appearances during these financially constrained times"...."the flying hours saved will be used for training front line aircrew".... "focus on the Red Arrows and BBMF as our public face". And to reinforce that line I wouldn't have rushed a Hawk role demo into service.

Not difficult.
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 23:21
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And to reinforce that line I wouldn't have rushed a Hawk role demo into service.
And what about all the shows in the second half of the season, some of them pretty huge, which would have then missed out?
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Nevertheless
"The incident is being investigated and it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time."
implies that the incident will be commented on at a later time?

Another foot-in-mouth MoD PR comment?
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And what about all the shows in the second half of the season, some of them pretty huge, which would have then missed out?
I saw the Hawk "demo" at Bournemouth yesterday and, to be honest, they wouldn't be missing out on much. Close to the display line it was just a bit more interesting than the King Air, mainly because it made more noise.

I was not in a position to hear the commentary and did wonder if any explanation was given. It was still good to see it there though.

However, the Tutor and Tucano made up for it with superb, tight performances. The Tucano in particular seemed to be pulling some very high g maneuvers.
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Old 20th Aug 2010, 07:53
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Neptune,

On the face of it, what you write seems reasonable - but do you know exactly what the 'problem' was? If not (and, with respect, it appears you don't), it might be worth waiting to find out what happened before commenting on whether or not the RAF's response was appropriate.
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Old 20th Aug 2010, 08:10
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However, the Tutor and Tucano made up for it with superb, tight performances. The Tucano in particular seemed to be pulling some very high g maneuvers.
I saw the demo as well and you are right...the Tucano was very impressive. I didn't realise that a Tucano could manoeuvre at such high speeds and tight turns - Good work
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