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Well I like the bear name but others to consider are:
"Scimitar" - refers to prop design but also cutting edge
"Blackhole" - works on many levels
"Atlas" - Follow on from the C130
"Paid for three but get only one" - Alright not a name but i suspect it's near the truth
At the end of the day assuming the boys in blue get the aircraft the nickname will come from those who fly or look after her in service. I just hope the services don't get short changed again following Octobers review.
"Scimitar" - refers to prop design but also cutting edge
"Blackhole" - works on many levels
"Atlas" - Follow on from the C130
"Paid for three but get only one" - Alright not a name but i suspect it's near the truth
At the end of the day assuming the boys in blue get the aircraft the nickname will come from those who fly or look after her in service. I just hope the services don't get short changed again following Octobers review.
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Originally Posted by Dengue_Dude
To be honest, it should be called the latest iteration of BUF,
Big
Ugly
F - use your imagination
Big
Ugly
F - use your imagination
For A400M...
BUFFET = Big Ugly Fat French Expensive Transport
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Nice acronym, GK121 ... Pity that it's a total misfit. The A400(M) is assembled in Spain from components made in Germany, France, the UK and Spain, of course. It's a European product, designed to serve European armed forces, and later for service with countries whose needs have outgrown the capability of the C-130 and can also operate from strips the C-17 cannot.
As far as "naming" it goes, why not follow the example of airlines worldwide who happily fly 737s, 747s, A320s? Simple, really, and it saves time wasted in discussion of non-essential and also the costs of those whose misfortune it is to suggest such things. The A400 will no doubt get a nickname from its users, but the Airships in their mental stratosphere don't like what the "lower ranks" might get up to - after all, it might be "rude" !
Could vent more spleen, but won't !
As far as "naming" it goes, why not follow the example of airlines worldwide who happily fly 737s, 747s, A320s? Simple, really, and it saves time wasted in discussion of non-essential and also the costs of those whose misfortune it is to suggest such things. The A400 will no doubt get a nickname from its users, but the Airships in their mental stratosphere don't like what the "lower ranks" might get up to - after all, it might be "rude" !
Could vent more spleen, but won't !
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Instead of getting hissy get your 'arris back to Spain and crack the whip a bit, not sure if you have noticed but "what ever we might eventually call it" is a quite a bit on the late side
Instead of getting hissy get your 'arris back to Spain and crack the whip a bit, not sure if you have noticed but "what ever we might eventually call it" is a quite a bit on the late side
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Wot, me go to Spain? I'm well retired, ta vm and comfortable where I am!
Nevertheless, the esteemed ACM Dalton must have been pretty harassed to talk about "provenance" - my Shorter Oxford (yes, I had to look the word up) tells me it means "The fact of coming from some particular source or quarter; derivation", so his reported reply seems inapposite at the least, but quite possibly only part of the conversation got into the Reuters gent's report.
It's to be hoped that the RAF will manage this time to avoid the diplomatic blunder of naming the Eurofighter "Typhoon". Nice name, but across the Channel/North Sea it was a reminder of rocket-firing tank and train-busters in WW2 which our NATO allies could well have done without. But when UK's current Prime Minister seems to think that the US was our staunch ally in 1940, and Britain was then (already) the "junior partner" ...
What official name the RAF gives to the A400M its users at the sharp end will certainly call it something else anyway, but the upper reaches of the hierarchy will probably never know ...
Nevertheless, the esteemed ACM Dalton must have been pretty harassed to talk about "provenance" - my Shorter Oxford (yes, I had to look the word up) tells me it means "The fact of coming from some particular source or quarter; derivation", so his reported reply seems inapposite at the least, but quite possibly only part of the conversation got into the Reuters gent's report.
It's to be hoped that the RAF will manage this time to avoid the diplomatic blunder of naming the Eurofighter "Typhoon". Nice name, but across the Channel/North Sea it was a reminder of rocket-firing tank and train-busters in WW2 which our NATO allies could well have done without. But when UK's current Prime Minister seems to think that the US was our staunch ally in 1940, and Britain was then (already) the "junior partner" ...
What official name the RAF gives to the A400M its users at the sharp end will certainly call it something else anyway, but the upper reaches of the hierarchy will probably never know ...
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But Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Dalton, Britain's top air force officer, delivered a blunt veto from the RAF.
"It's absolutely appalling," he told Reuters.
"It has no provenance, no acceptance and it will enter RAF service with that name over my dead body."
"It's absolutely appalling," he told Reuters.
"It has no provenance, no acceptance and it will enter RAF service with that name over my dead body."
Champagne anyone...?
diplomatic blunder of naming the Eurofighter "Typhoon"
Nice name, but across the Channel/North Sea it was a reminder of rocket-firing tank and train-busters in WW2 which our NATO allies could well have done without.
They should think themselves lucky we didn't name the ground attack variant the "FGR1 Dresden"
....diplomatic blunder of naming the Eurofighter "Typhoon"
UK: "We need a name for this new jet. We don't think that ‘Spitfire II’ would be terribly suitable, so we suggest following on the 'wind' tradition started by Tornado. How about 'Tempest'?"
Germany: "Nein! Ve are with this not happy being. Verdammte Englanders did my father in his Me262 mit ein Hawker Tempest shoot down. Ve suggest Sturm!"
UK: "No, sorry old chap. Too many memories of Storm Troopers goose-stepping across Europe..... We'd prefer 'Hurricane'"
Germany: "Nein! This is not possible."
UK: "OK - something else then. How about 'Typhoon'.....?"
Germany: "Nein! You also those in the Second Weltkrieg had. Ve do NOT vant unser aircraft so named being"
UK: "Ah - but you had a 'Typhoon' or rather 'Taifun' as well. Bf 108 Taifun, if you recall. In fact Lufthansa still have one in the Deutschen Lufthansa Berlin-Stiftung....along with a Ju 52!"
Germany: "Himmel! Sie haben recht. Ve did indeed. Perhaps ve can consider this?"
UK: "OK - perhaps. Or what about 'Cyclone'? No-one has ever had any aeroplane called 'Cyclone'?"
Germany: "Hmm. Sehr interesting. Zis ist perhaps OK. Ja - ve are liking 'Cyclone', oder, wie sagt man auf Deutsch, 'Zyklon'. Ve can für das Singleseaterflugzeug 'Zyklon A' have, und für das Doppelseaterjagdbomberflugzeug, vielleicht 'Zyklon B'......"
UK: "Ahhh - we don't think that would be a terribly good name. We want to sell our jet overseas. We don't think that 'Zyklon B' would go down terribly well with some of our potential Middle Eastern customers......"
Germany: "Ach so. Perhaps then ve should agree on 'Taifun'!"
UK: "Yes. ‘Typhoon’ it is then. Spot of lunch, old chap?"
Germany: "Danke"
Italy: "Lunch? Si, we agree."
Spain: "¿Qué?"
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Nicely put, sir !
However, you might have continued ...
German (sotto voce): "But das T-Wort vill ve not use ennyvay ... und kann your Flugzeug ze Grount Attack do, like ze von mein Vater problems with did have ?"
Brit: Oh no dear chap, at least not for years, after all, it's a Fighter. And after your wanting to mess about with MiGs from the ex-DDR, it's going to be late too ... Another Apfelstrudel with custard ???"
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However, you might have continued ...
German (sotto voce): "But das T-Wort vill ve not use ennyvay ... und kann your Flugzeug ze Grount Attack do, like ze von mein Vater problems with did have ?"
Brit: Oh no dear chap, at least not for years, after all, it's a Fighter. And after your wanting to mess about with MiGs from the ex-DDR, it's going to be late too ... Another Apfelstrudel with custard ???"
Mods: Very sorry for thread drift ...
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Agreed it's late - the causes are well known, from the lack of supervision by previous Airbus management (not only on this programme, and for which heads did roll) to possible excess of confidence in Spain and a "misunderstanding" on the part of a member of the engine consortium ... and so on. The question of "Where do we go from here?" is being answered; the product seems to be doing well in flight tests so far, and customer pilots will, it seems, soon be able to handle it for themselves.
Britain's new government, with President Obama's help, may well have got out of Afghanistan before the A400 goes into RAF service (after the French and German air forces), but that's a possible obstacle much further down the road. For the time being it seems to be holding to the new schedule.
Across the Atlantic, Boeing's newest and finest is late too, as you will also be well aware, and they're having troubles on the tanker front as well.
Nobody's perfect!
Britain's new government, with President Obama's help, may well have got out of Afghanistan before the A400 goes into RAF service (after the French and German air forces), but that's a possible obstacle much further down the road. For the time being it seems to be holding to the new schedule.
Across the Atlantic, Boeing's newest and finest is late too, as you will also be well aware, and they're having troubles on the tanker front as well.
Nobody's perfect!
Across the Atlantic, Boeing's newest and finest is late too...
And as for the KC-767I farce......
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Should have put inter alia there, I suppose, as the 747-8's not on time either, but my point was really that keeping to a schedule over many years is very sensitive to Mr. Rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns", or Mr. MacMillan's "events, dear boy".
In the end, it's whether the aircraft can do the job it was intended to do. From my seat well away from the action, the A400 seems to be promising to do what it said on the original tin, though "events" (like getting disentangled from the Afghan business) may make some customers less keen on the numbers they've signed up for only recently. But don't knock it for being late !
As for the original subject of this thread, "A400" goes down very well in every language of the participants. "Grizzly" is OK as a nickname, in English, and is particularly apposite with the increasing numbers of (brown) bears on both sides of the Pyrenees but how that translates into e.g Turkish, is "problematical", as they say ...
In the end, it's whether the aircraft can do the job it was intended to do. From my seat well away from the action, the A400 seems to be promising to do what it said on the original tin, though "events" (like getting disentangled from the Afghan business) may make some customers less keen on the numbers they've signed up for only recently. But don't knock it for being late !
As for the original subject of this thread, "A400" goes down very well in every language of the participants. "Grizzly" is OK as a nickname, in English, and is particularly apposite with the increasing numbers of (brown) bears on both sides of the Pyrenees but how that translates into e.g Turkish, is "problematical", as they say ...
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But don't knock it for being late !
If you had even one scintilla of an idea of the absolute chaos the "lateness" has caused you might just reconsider posting such throw away lines in future
If you had even one scintilla of an idea of the absolute chaos the "lateness" has caused you might just reconsider posting such throw away lines in future
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The last time this came up, I proposed MUFF:
Medium Ugly Fat F***er.
It doesn't really matter what it's officially called. I don't suppose Lockheed said "Let's call it Fat Albert", or "F***ing Ridiculous Economic Disaster". These things just happen along.
Medium Ugly Fat F***er.
It doesn't really matter what it's officially called. I don't suppose Lockheed said "Let's call it Fat Albert", or "F***ing Ridiculous Economic Disaster". These things just happen along.
Just call it the Argosy 2....