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BBC News - Bloody Sunday killings 'unjustified and unjustifiable'
Should General Mike and Major Loden be walking towards a lengthy prison sentence.
Should General Mike and Major Loden be walking towards a lengthy prison sentence.
To put things in context (a word Jackson used), one has to ask how much influence did the events of Bloody Sunday have upon the following years?
Cameron I think got the statement about right in what would have been an uncomfortable day for the establishment.
There only victors today are the families who have seen their loved ones cleared from a stain on their names unworthy of this country.
New Enquiry
Do we now have an enquiry into the murder of Mountbatten and the 14 (?) soldiers killed the same day at Warrenpoint?
I think if I had been summoned to the Saville Enquiry as a squaddie taking part, my answer would have been something like: "I'm sorry yur 'onour, it was a long time ago and after getting bashed on the head during several tours in NI, my memory is unreliable and I remember very little".
I think if I had been summoned to the Saville Enquiry as a squaddie taking part, my answer would have been something like: "I'm sorry yur 'onour, it was a long time ago and after getting bashed on the head during several tours in NI, my memory is unreliable and I remember very little".
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£119 million well spent then?
This was a key factor in the Troubles as others have said. Part of the deal done to move on to where we are now was a proper indpendent inquiry not the earlier whitewash.
Cost - in pure monetary terms - nothing compared to the human cost if the status quo had been allowed to continue.
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I feel truly sorry for those genuinely innocent who were involved; on both 'sides'.
However it's easy for even me, a civilian with slight military connections, to imagine a frightened young squaddie letting off a few warning rounds, next minute his mates think the worst and join in...
Let us not forget the torture the IRA were fond of, not to mention placing powerful bombs among civilians on both sides of the Irish Sea.
As for the troops' equipment, remember that was 1972.
That minute's silence today should be for truly ALL losses.
However it's easy for even me, a civilian with slight military connections, to imagine a frightened young squaddie letting off a few warning rounds, next minute his mates think the worst and join in...
Let us not forget the torture the IRA were fond of, not to mention placing powerful bombs among civilians on both sides of the Irish Sea.
As for the troops' equipment, remember that was 1972.
That minute's silence today should be for truly ALL losses.
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don't be forgetting RAFG also, it wasn't just the UK that had Mr IRA out and about killing people. I have never forgot about the poor Dad and his 4 month year old just outside RAF Wildenrath in 89 -90, or the poor Aussie tourists that got it just over the borber in Holland , coz they spoke english, must be brits Mr IRA thought.
Though I am happy with the way things are now, even if Mr Mc Guiness is now a minister, was in Derry last Oct and I have to say the people are the best, and can say no wrong of the good people of N. I.
Though I am happy with the way things are now, even if Mr Mc Guiness is now a minister, was in Derry last Oct and I have to say the people are the best, and can say no wrong of the good people of N. I.
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don't be forgetting RAFG also, it wasn't just the UK that had Mr IRA out and about killing people. I have never forgot about the poor Dad and his 4 month year old just outside RAF Wildenrath in 89 -90
RIP CPL Mick Islania and 6 month old daughter.
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and the rock apes up at Laarbruch ?, WO I remember, there is so many that the IRA ( IRA of olde, they no longer.....) are happy for us to forget. I say NO we need too remember them all. The Bloody Sunday "13" and all the others, service persons, civilians, the damned (sorry ITA and others).
UK main land, N.I, RAFG, everywhere, GIB. savilller report. F**K that. list the people we must not forget, lust we no longer forget.
Moder plz, change the name of this thread too ?
"We have not forgotten ........ Any of ...YOU..."
UK main land, N.I, RAFG, everywhere, GIB. savilller report. F**K that. list the people we must not forget, lust we no longer forget.
Moder plz, change the name of this thread too ?
"We have not forgotten ........ Any of ...YOU..."
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Reading through the Roll of Honour and....
one of 12 people killed, including his wife and two young sons
19 other people killed by bomb
shot with his wife at their home
shot driving school bus. 3rd brother to be killed
Can we please stop confusing the outcome of the report with the IRA.
It was a Civil rights parade that was fired on and that is what the report dealt with nothing else.
Remember the other people who died BUT please stop trying to deflect the thread.
It was a Civil rights parade that was fired on and that is what the report dealt with nothing else.
Remember the other people who died BUT please stop trying to deflect the thread.
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The Saville report has been long overdue. All the people from Derry who have had family members and friends killed have been going through hell over the past 38years. As Mr Cameron said in his statement, these brutal killings by the british soldiers were "UNJUSTIFIED AND UNJUSTIFIABLE". The family members and friends can now move on, now that it has been admitted by the british government that the 14 victims were innocent.
R.I.P Bloody Sunday victims
R.I.P Bloody Sunday victims
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Whilst I agree that the shooting were unjustified I do not agree with all the 14 vicitms being called innocent...
Vol 1 Chap 3 Para 3.111
Not a justification for his shooting but he obviously had a very innocent reason for carrying 4 nail bombs to a Civil Rights March.
Vol 1 Chap 3 Para 3.111
Gerald Donaghey was taken by car to the Regimental Aid Post of 1st Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment, which was at the western end of Craigavon Bridge, which spans the River Foyle. There four nail bombs were found in his pockets. The question arose as to whether the nail bombs were in his pockets when he was shot, or had been planted on him later by the security forces. We have considered the substantial amount of evidence relating to this question and have concluded, for reasons that we give, that the nail bombs were probably on Gerald Donaghey when he was shot. However, we are sure that Gerald Donaghey was not preparing or attempting to throw a nail bomb when he was shot; and we are equally sure that he was not shot because of his possession of nail bombs. He was shot while trying to escape from the soldiers.