PM 'Disrespect' Armed Forces
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PM 'Disrespect' Armed Forces
Shades of Michael Foot; somehow I think this pretty much says it all and you can pretty much write a defence review based on which projects keep which jobs alive MPs' constituencies
VC winner Beharry 'snubbed Brown' - *UK News - MSN News UK
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VC winner Beharry 'snubbed Brown' - *UK News - MSN News UK
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Much respect to the young gentleman 
But watch out for the Mandelscum Smear Machine as it rumbles into action....
But watch out for the Mandelscum Smear Machine as it rumbles into action....
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Inasmuch as both L/CPL Johnson Beharry and Gordon Brown are supposedly " professionals " , neither should have allowed this to develop to the point where the most highly decorated living soldier is at loggerheads with the PM. Perhaps both should get off their " high horses ". The PM has a lot on his mind , especially what exactly to do with his unemployed self on May 7th.
Much as I cannot wait to see the back of GB, I do not think that his body language on Remembrance Day showed disrespect to our armed forces. It seemed to me that he was showing signs of stress and depression.
In particular it must be highly stressful to be standing there on such an occasion when the bodies of brave servicemen and women continue to return from Afghanistan - and he has the power to stop it.
I am sorry to say that I think that L/Cpl Beharry has it wrong on this occasion.
In particular it must be highly stressful to be standing there on such an occasion when the bodies of brave servicemen and women continue to return from Afghanistan - and he has the power to stop it.
I am sorry to say that I think that L/Cpl Beharry has it wrong on this occasion.
Maybe someone should have sidled up alongside Brown and slapped him out of his current depression. That said, it's not necessarily in the bag for the Tories on 6th May. I fancy the absurd state of affairs where Alex Salmond has to approach Buckingham Palace and ask the Queen for permission to form the U.K's first SNP Government with a tiny majority.
Can you imagine the expression on everyone's faces, especially the super-bewildered look on Salmond's!?!?!
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Can you imagine the expression on everyone's faces, especially the super-bewildered look on Salmond's!?!?!
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Much as I cannot wait to see the back of GB, I do not think that his body language on Remembrance Day showed disrespect to our armed forces. It seemed to me that he was showing signs of stress and depression.
A very poor display by a professional.
Whether you like the PM or not is irrelevant BUT the PM represents the people of the UK and as such he should be treated with the respect the office deserves.
Whether he personally is deserving of that respect is something else BUT that office warrants respect which the VC winner has failed to do.
No doubt there will be some say he was appointed and not elected as he did not stand for election on that basis, it was clear however prior to last election that Blair would stand down.
However I would also refer people back to WW2 and note that Winston Churchill did not stand for election as a potential PM in the General Election pre WW2, nor indeed did John Major during the build up to Gulf War 1.
As a serving member of HM forces he doesn't get to decide who he likes in the leadership above him. His only input is at election time when he can vote for which ever candidate he wants or none at all.
The willingness to go to press sets a dangerous precedent as what happens when a serving soldier goes public and slates the Head of the Armed Forces because he is from RAF and doesn't understand the Army.
Whether you like the PM or not is irrelevant BUT the PM represents the people of the UK and as such he should be treated with the respect the office deserves.
Whether he personally is deserving of that respect is something else BUT that office warrants respect which the VC winner has failed to do.
No doubt there will be some say he was appointed and not elected as he did not stand for election on that basis, it was clear however prior to last election that Blair would stand down.
However I would also refer people back to WW2 and note that Winston Churchill did not stand for election as a potential PM in the General Election pre WW2, nor indeed did John Major during the build up to Gulf War 1.
As a serving member of HM forces he doesn't get to decide who he likes in the leadership above him. His only input is at election time when he can vote for which ever candidate he wants or none at all.
The willingness to go to press sets a dangerous precedent as what happens when a serving soldier goes public and slates the Head of the Armed Forces because he is from RAF and doesn't understand the Army.
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Resspect has to be earned. The office might have to be respected but an incompetent bumbling holder of the office does not. Brown is is a waste of time, so far as the Forces are concerned, and to a lot of other people as well.
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racedo,
The 'govern'ment traded any sense of 'respect' when they sent soldiers to fight a war based on lies.
They can't have it both ways & fair play to the VC for saying what most of the country are thinking.
The 'govern'ment traded any sense of 'respect' when they sent soldiers to fight a war based on lies.
They can't have it both ways & fair play to the VC for saying what most of the country are thinking.
If PM's traded respect by sending me to war based on lies then there is NO PM that could meet those so called standards because every person has been sent to war based on lies. This is what politicians do, compromise and lie to achieve what they want and a politicians aim is re election and a legacy. The requirements to be PM are not set by anybody but the party who can muster a majority of votes in Parliament.
The Armed Forces don't get to choose their political masters nor should they.
Sadly it seems people are happy to support the Lance Corporal based on their hatred for the Politics of the PM rather than seeing a bigger picture.
I wonder would Maggie still be loved if Galtieri had waited a year to start the Falklands war ?
When you are in Uniform you don't get involved in Party politics and sadly that is what has occured here.
The Armed Forces don't get to choose their political masters nor should they.
Sadly it seems people are happy to support the Lance Corporal based on their hatred for the Politics of the PM rather than seeing a bigger picture.
I wonder would Maggie still be loved if Galtieri had waited a year to start the Falklands war ?
When you are in Uniform you don't get involved in Party politics and sadly that is what has occured here.
Normally I would agree that members of the Armed Forces should be above political opinion.
But we're talking about the despicable nuLabor here, so normal rules surely cannot apply...
But we're talking about the despicable nuLabor here, so normal rules surely cannot apply...
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When you are in Uniform you don't get involved in Party politics and sadly that is what has occured here.
Get real, I hate to admit it but once again, I agree with BEagle. This shower of **** have long ago given up the right to have respect.
Or are the guys and girls (all citizens by the way) supposed to just take it on the nose everytime Brown and cronies feel like dishing it out?
This is the man who said: "every Pound on Defence was a wasted Pound". If that's the case then bring then home.
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Once again...racedo
"When you are in Uniform you don't get involved in Party politics and sadly that is what has occured here........
The soldier said his snub came a year after he attended a Downing Street reception during which he claimed the PM appeared "totally disinterested" in him and other servicemen.
He added: "This is nothing to do with the election, or who I want to be PM. My problem is with him personally, Gordon Brown the man."
He added: "This is nothing to do with the election, or who I want to be PM. My problem is with him personally, Gordon Brown the man."
The soldier said his snub came a year after he attended a Downing Street reception during which he claimed the PM appeared "totally disinterested" in him and other servicemen.
Those claiming its ok because they dislike the party should perhaps ask the question of when someone uses the actions of said Lance Corporal to act inappropriately with a senior officer or HM herself then will you think person is acting rightly or wrongly.
If he wishes to protest then do so out of Uniform not in Uniform.
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The difference is the Mr Beharry as proved beyond all doubt that people mattered to him.
I wonder if the same can be said for Gordon Brown, the jury is out and the tea leaves would tend to indicate there is more bad news to come - especially if blinkered fools vote for him and his corrupt government.
I'm now in civvies so I can say that - the man is an arse (no, actually not, they're useful).
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I wonder if the same can be said for Gordon Brown, the jury is out and the tea leaves would tend to indicate there is more bad news to come - especially if blinkered fools vote for him and his corrupt government.
I'm now in civvies so I can say that - the man is an arse (no, actually not, they're useful).
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racedo, they broke the covenant and were found out, they deserve no respect.
It's not political either, the tories would have done the same as bliar & chums, they're all scum.
It's not political either, the tories would have done the same as bliar & chums, they're all scum.
Beagle,
Normal rules do apply. As a civilian, you are (now) entitled to rant as much as you wish. However, Beharry's gallantry should not hide the fact that he is still serving and as such should not be publicising his personal opinion of the coutry's Prime Minister
Interesting though that he refused to shake the PM's hand - I wonder if ordering him to do so would be a legal order...?
Normal rules do apply. As a civilian, you are (now) entitled to rant as much as you wish. However, Beharry's gallantry should not hide the fact that he is still serving and as such should not be publicising his personal opinion of the coutry's Prime Minister
Interesting though that he refused to shake the PM's hand - I wonder if ordering him to do so would be a legal order...?