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Red Arrows collision (Merged)

Old 23rd Mar 2010, 17:28
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It looked pretty destroyed to me as in clearly never going to fly again even though not splintered into several thousand pieces.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 17:44
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The Daily Mail online shows a photo of one of the guys being put in an ambulance. It's a close up and it does not take a rocket scientist to ID the pilot.

I appreciate that there is a freedom of speech issue however, I do hope the photo went out AFTER the NOK were informed.

Get well soon mate.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 18:07
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Ahh yes,

the old 'you go right I'll go left' routine.......
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 18:13
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That photo is in pretty bad taste I think - makes you wonder who took it.

Get well soon mate!
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 18:16
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RAFAT are working on getting it binned.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 18:30
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Firstly I hope the pilot concerned is ok.

I was also wondering what would happen to the displays this year if one of the pilots became unavailable. The only thing I could think of is one of the pilots who 'retired' this year could be brought back - although a '7 ship' would be an option obviously. (I was thinking of last year when the Tucano displays had to be cancelled after the pilot there was injured).
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 18:46
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MoD have confirmed it was Flt Lt Mike Ling who ejected and Flt Lt Dave Montenegro who managed to land.

More info here.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 18:47
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Wokkamate - please don't be too hard on the photographer - save your ire for the Daily Mail. The photog works in a country (much like most Mediterranean ones) where death and injury are pretty much public property. Its not wrong - just different, for example on a recent Spanish hol there were pictures on the news of dead bodies by the roadside and on a construction site - certainly on National TV before anyone could have been informed.
Where UK morals and standards should have been applied is the Editorial Office at the Mail - they have failed to act in accordance with British Values of what is decent in our eyes.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 18:50
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Drastic thoughts about team cuts, wasn't someone injured a year or two back and they flew 7/8 until he was fit part way through the season?? I hope excuses aren't made to cut. Get well soon and back in the saddle for a great season!
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:02
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Sky news reporting dislocated shoulder on pilot who ejected, good to see no serious injuries, aircraft can be replaced...
I would say that was a good result from a collision on the type of flying these guys do.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:04
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The DM has blurred the pilot's face out. Not before time!
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:06
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Glad to hear all ok.

I for one, can not understand why the pre season work up is not being carried out at Akrotiri as is normal, bearing in mind the current defence budget furore. Any reason for Crete?
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:15
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The Sun is still carrying the photo without any blurring of the pilot's face/rank.

They were/are still planning to go to Akrotiri in a few weeks.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:21
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Pleased to here that both pilots are OK. Lets hope they are back in the air soon.

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I for one, can not understand why the pre season work up is not being carried out at Akrotiri as is normal, bearing in mind the current defence budget furore. Any reason for Crete?
The past few years has seen the Reds start there training in Greece before moving onto Akrotiri to finish the training and get the OK to display. This year is no different. According to the Reds website they are due to leave Kastelli for Akrotiri on 1st April.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:28
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Apparently it was the syncho-pair, according to the concurrent thread on R&N.

I think there may be some repercussions from this in the medium term. Given the swingeing cuts that the RN and Army are accepting in their PR budgets I can't see them offering much morale support to the RAF's decision to send a C-130 and ten Hawks to Greece, then accidentally damaging/destroying two 5m aircraft by deliberately flying them headlong at each other...
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:36
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Now on the official MoD website:

Ministry of Defence | Defence News | Training and Adventure | Pilots safe after Red Arrows collision

......ejected from his aircraft sustaining a dislocated shoulder and minor injuries associated with an ejection. His aircraft was severely damaged on impact with the runway.
Get well soon, old chap.

'Severely damaged' - no $hit, Sherlock...
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:46
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C130 Bloke & Trim Stab: Well done for your posts - I'm sure the Families at home are really considering the impact of the medical condition of their son/partner on the PR10 outcome. You wouldn't happen to be frustrated fast-jet mates would you (as a multi pilot, I can say that with a clear conscience)? Did you always want to be in the Reds, like most of us if we're honest, when you were young and now enjoy taking any opportunity to comment on those significantly more talented than yourselves??
You should be ashamed. I hope the Pilot makes a speedy recovery, and gets back to where he has worked bloody hard to be - 9 ship and all.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:47
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Thanks for putting me straight Helimarshaller.

I watched one half of the syncro pair bounce down the runway with the luckiest pilot alive pulled out of the disintegrating wreckage by his own parachute at Akrotiri back in march 84 whilst on the beirut evacuation with 18 sqn. The reds were not amused when the score cards came out as they taxied back to dispersal, zeros all round
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:48
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Gods speed for a timely recovery

I do envy these boys and girls flying ability but do have to ask its net worth to Defence per se. Whilst these things (collisions and crashes)always give me the jitters I do have to ask if the circa 1.5 million (I have checked my figures and they were last years) spent on coloured diesel may be better spent on the defence budget and not touting a morally and financially suspect british waste of space company. Wouldnt a reduction in jets mean a freeing up of TG1 and 2 to the fleets that need them?

I am sure the green army would have something to spend the money on in the sandy place of happiness.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 19:51
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The pilot who ejected appears to be Red 6, the Synchro Leader so he'll be hard to replace at this point in prep for the season if he's out of action for long. They're weeks away from PDA so these weeks are crucial to their work-ups.

I don't know this particular flyer personally but wish him and RAFAT a speedy recovery.
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