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What will the AFPRB say this year?

Old 10th Mar 2010, 11:01
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Read It In Full

http://www.ome.uk.com/Document/Defau...3-326BB1B30945
(This should download the .pdf, otherwise try http://www.ome.uk.gov/AFPRB_Reports.aspx and click on 39th Report 2010)
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 11:54
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Thanks for the link.

Agreed, 2% is probably the very best one could expect these days.
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 12:41
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Smile

Cornish,

Re Post 52 - have de Beers made you an offer for those diamonds then?
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 13:45
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Good result for long serving GE's and Muppets.
10 Days down to 7 also good.
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 14:02
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PA Spine Flt Lt (OF2) pilots: please have a close look at the footnotes to the PA Spine pay bands on page 55 which have been amended compared to the AFPRB 2008 and 2009 documents. Up until now, the ceiling for Flt Lt Pilots on the PAS has been level 35 - the top level. What is your interpretation of footnote `b`?
"OF2 Aircrew cannot progress beyond Increment Level 30"
An error in the document, OR a stitch-up on a massive scale?
Please discuss.......
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 14:14
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Cheeky dirtbags.... That used to be WSO(Navigators) capped at Level 30....

So is it, as the man says, a spelling error or is it a sneaky change to what I signed up to?
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 14:43
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Don't panic. Reserved rights will exist for exisiting members of PAS. The detail is in the Flying Pay paper of evidence.
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 15:29
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been squeezing and squeezing and all that happens is the poop fires out and cracks the pan - wife not happy.

Alas no good news - you're all fooked, proper, like the rabbit.

(for all those who don't understand read my first comment on this thread)

I do like the idea of voting back in gordy - but how much of a f*** up would it be and how long to fix it?
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 15:38
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As a 'life-long' OF2 PAS Nav, sorry, 'WSO', I think I'm in the same boat as before.

Not a bad place to be.
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 15:45
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Cornish,

Beraing in mind fitch and moodys are itching to downgrade our gilts, not long I suspect.

A couple of months with petrol at 2 quid a litre and Interest rates above 5% should do it. You only need to look at the cuts that Ireland and Greece have made to see what we have in store.
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 17:07
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I do have to giggle to myself. It (the AFPRB findings) goes on to say that the current job market is picking up, Rotary more so, yet it only offers a very, and I mean very, narrow band, short term FRI to Apache crews of 50k, yet a whacking 100k to senior rank flyers (presumably fast jet fraternity???). What about the rest of the rotary world??? Sure the PES(A)/PAS banding changes will help, but you would firstly have to serve another 10 years or so to reap the rewards, and hope that you get promoted.
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 17:55
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Concerned of RAF land

Exiled,
I read the Flying Pay bit, and it makes me worry. As an OF 2 on level 31, do I stay on PAS all the way up to level 35 or do they cut me munny unless I get OF3?
You seem sure that there will be no change to those on existing PAS, but it does say from 1 Apr 10, and not new entrants to PAS.
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 19:42
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So much for the promised revision to the CS Spine to bridge the PAS gap. Now the bloke sitting next to me at the same rank, age, seniority, branch and job as me can earn an extra 3k per annum (by moving to level 33) on top of his PAS pension advantage!




(He is a bloody nice bloke though).
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 20:33
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I believe that you will be cleared to Level 35. As I said the report does not go into the fine detail, however I have seen the original POE and that makes it more clear that existing PAS have reserved rights.
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 21:13
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Exiled, I'm sure that you've done more to combat hypertension issues in the RAF in the last 12 hours than the entire medical branch over the last 12 months (for which many thanks), but any idea where the relevant paper might be found? The "announcement" today was as much of a surprise to the nice folks in PSF as to those who may or may not be affected, and it would be nice to be able to help to keep the Chief Clerk from an early grave...
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 21:30
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[QUOTE]Recommendation 12: We recommend that with effect from 1 April 2010:
The Aircrew FRI should be extended to run until 31 March 2013, targeting
RN and RAF Career Stream SO pilots, with a payment of 100,000 at IRP,
requiring a five-year return of service.
The revised FRI should no longer include RAF and RN SO Weapon System
Operators and Observers.
Eligibility should be extended to RN and RAF OF2 pilots at IRP, offering
80,000 for a five-year return of service.

Eligibility should be extended to RN OF2 Observers at IRP, offering
40,000 for a five-year return of service./QUOTE]

If I read that correctly, all Lt RN and Flt Lt pilots will get 80K at their IPP. And transfer to PAS as well? If that's the case (as someone 13 days from IPP), thanks very much and bring it on...
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Old 10th Mar 2010, 21:53
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Just done the pension calculator thingie and it now means that a PAS Flt Lt retiring on Level 30 will get around 31k per annum and a 96k lump sum. This is certainly less than figure somewhere between a Wg Cdr and Gp Capt's pension that it used to be (same prediction for Level 35 gives 35k pension and 105k lump sum).

I'm guessing that PAS is not going to be the good deal that everyone thought it was going to be if they're not on Level 35 already?

Here's a link to the pension calculator http://83.138.137.164080/

Kind of takes the shine off of the 2% when you consider the changes to the Armed Forces Redundancy Scheme as well.

All this spin is making me dizzy...
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Old 11th Mar 2010, 03:09
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The email from the deskenfuhrer this afternoon confirmed that if you're already on PAS then you remain on the original terms. The level 30 cap applies to those who accept a PAS offer after by 1 Apr 10.
Panic over
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Old 11th Mar 2010, 07:33
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StopStart; would you be prepared to outline the rough content of that email? Via PM if more convenient?
Regards, Stanley.
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Old 11th Mar 2010, 07:37
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The email from the deskenfuhrer this afternoon confirmed that if you're already on PAS then you remain on the original terms. The level 30 cap applies to those who accept a PAS offer after 1 Apr 10.
That's a shame. The whole idea of the change was to stop the Flt Lt Pilot who does nothing but turn up to fly or sim, but Sweet FA else, getting a bigger pension than all the Sqn Ldrs (except a PAS Pilot) and generally speaking probably the Boss.
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