Herk SAR?
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Happy Christmas Ferg,
or is it Prawnmas over there? (Must be like a 1980's Nimrod convention on most of the colonial squadrons these days - is Dick Hardeman still trying to do ESM on the sono kit I wonder?)
MCT - got me puzzled, I can only imagine the acronym means different things to different people, and I doubt anyone from the kipper fleet is going to explain our version.
Still, life would be boring if we all agreed...
or is it Prawnmas over there? (Must be like a 1980's Nimrod convention on most of the colonial squadrons these days - is Dick Hardeman still trying to do ESM on the sono kit I wonder?)
MCT - got me puzzled, I can only imagine the acronym means different things to different people, and I doubt anyone from the kipper fleet is going to explain our version.
Still, life would be boring if we all agreed...
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FJ over water deployments??
Would a FJ sqn cdr/flt cdr/staish be allowed to refuse to deploy ac (say to the Falklands/Red Flag/Grn Flag or whatever) if there wasn't adequate long range SAR cover for all legs?
I'm not talking wartime ops, just routine deployments or whatever. This would apply especially to Harriers (only one donk) and if it was me I wouldn't be very happy with a Command policy which sanctioned such a deployment.
MB
I'm not talking wartime ops, just routine deployments or whatever. This would apply especially to Harriers (only one donk) and if it was me I wouldn't be very happy with a Command policy which sanctioned such a deployment.
MB
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I thought that these days we were placing more emphasis on sensors/payload than platforms. To that end, why not a c-130j with a palletised comms/rebro station in the boot, a few extra aerials scabbed on the aircraft and a cadre of suitably qualified AEOps seconded from the kipper fleet. If you're really feeling flush, you could pay for a few tweaks to the radar software (as fitted to block 40 F-16s after all). Add a few air-droppable ASR packs along the lines of whatever the USCG have and external tanks and you're starting to look at a fairly healthy capability.
We're not talking about a fleet-wide mod here, just a few a/c (Mk 5s?). Although the fleet is heavily committed on ops, we still have some a/c in the UK for training and this is meant to be a contingency role after all.
I'll not open another can of worms and mention the fact the mighty J has hard-points and a 1553 databus that could support a brace of Harpoons..... ASuW anybody?
We're not talking about a fleet-wide mod here, just a few a/c (Mk 5s?). Although the fleet is heavily committed on ops, we still have some a/c in the UK for training and this is meant to be a contingency role after all.
I'll not open another can of worms and mention the fact the mighty J has hard-points and a 1553 databus that could support a brace of Harpoons..... ASuW anybody?
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Beautiful,
But this would be better
http://www.aviation-history.com/martin/p6m.html
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But this would be better
http://www.aviation-history.com/martin/p6m.html
Edit for the link
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Champagne anyone...?
Father Jack. Given that we couldn't find our arse in the bath with both hands wrt to current ops and kit requirements, the idea of swinging missiles off the wings and filling the freightbay with AEOps is, of course, bonkers. 
Rumpunch - just like your good self, your freinds (sic) are not experts either. The J can and in places does have externals.
Rumpunch - just like your good self, your freinds (sic) are not experts either. The J can and in places does have externals.
Rumpunch ...
Look here ..
http://norway.usembassy.gov/uploads/...ules_500px.jpg
This one uses the "hard point" on the outer wing as well.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...h/CRW_9388.jpg
Look here ..
http://norway.usembassy.gov/uploads/...ules_500px.jpg
This one uses the "hard point" on the outer wing as well.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...h/CRW_9388.jpg
The aircraft can carry a maximum internal fuel load of 45,900lb. An additional 18,700lb of fuel can be carried in external underwing fuel tanks. The refuelling probe installed on the centre of the fuselage has been relocated on the C-130J to the port side, over the cockpit.
How long would you like it to remain airborne?
Fuel is not the problem, it's the number of pies for the microwave it can carry.
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Thanks
I just wanted to make sure before I say my farewells to the a jet I have spent most of my life on I know the facts of its replacement. All I remember of the Herc fleet was Aircrew that cooked meals while us dross down the back end suffered the crap pasties and warm water if you were lucky, at least of you flew Nim"air" you were treated to at least a starter, hot meal and some cakes, washed down with more tea and coffee you could shake a stick at , even the days with DCS and tabbing down the rear end was a novelty.
Least money can be saved now without the need for inflight rations
I just wanted to make sure before I say my farewells to the a jet I have spent most of my life on I know the facts of its replacement. All I remember of the Herc fleet was Aircrew that cooked meals while us dross down the back end suffered the crap pasties and warm water if you were lucky, at least of you flew Nim"air" you were treated to at least a starter, hot meal and some cakes, washed down with more tea and coffee you could shake a stick at , even the days with DCS and tabbing down the rear end was a novelty.
Least money can be saved now without the need for inflight rations
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Would a FJ sqn cdr/flt cdr/staish be allowed to refuse to deploy ac (say to the Falklands/Red Flag/Grn Flag or whatever) if there wasn't adequate long range SAR cover for all legs?
I'm not talking wartime ops, just routine deployments or whatever. This would apply especially to Harriers (only one donk) and if it was me I wouldn't be very happy with a Command policy which sanctioned such a deployment.
MB
I'm not talking wartime ops, just routine deployments or whatever. This would apply especially to Harriers (only one donk) and if it was me I wouldn't be very happy with a Command policy which sanctioned such a deployment.
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Stoppers:
Totally agree wrt hanging missiles off the wings, just being facetious!
However, I'm serious about the portakabin / AEOp / extra radios idea. The Yanks have roll-on fits for the more esoteric Herk roles, i.e. Compass Call so it's doable. If this govt or the next is serious about maintaining the capabilities of a civilized, first-world, maritime nation then they need to do something meaningful to bridge the gap.
But putting my pragmatic head on, you're probably right about our arse-seeking capabilities.....
Hope you're keeping your head down fella.
FJH
Totally agree wrt hanging missiles off the wings, just being facetious!
However, I'm serious about the portakabin / AEOp / extra radios idea. The Yanks have roll-on fits for the more esoteric Herk roles, i.e. Compass Call so it's doable. If this govt or the next is serious about maintaining the capabilities of a civilized, first-world, maritime nation then they need to do something meaningful to bridge the gap.
But putting my pragmatic head on, you're probably right about our arse-seeking capabilities.....
Hope you're keeping your head down fella.
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Of course, for the Nimrod force DCS meant nothing more sinister than Dairy Cream Sponge
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By 1990 the art of the honkers was pretty much a fading memory, so here's a festive Honkers recipe to let those who never experienced the magic get a taste of what kept the crew going on Tapestry....
Ingredients:
3 large tins of compo spuds
4 tins compo minced beef
2 tins vegetable soup
2 onions
2 apples
Anything else you have handy
Curry powder to taste (as in 'if you can still taste anything you need to add more curry powder')
Method:
Take a medium/small saucepan, cram all the contents in, boil gently for 45 minutes until scrapeable. Serve in foil tray.
As a final touch, chuck anything to hand on top.
Ingredients:
3 large tins of compo spuds
4 tins compo minced beef
2 tins vegetable soup
2 onions
2 apples
Anything else you have handy
Curry powder to taste (as in 'if you can still taste anything you need to add more curry powder')
Method:
Take a medium/small saucepan, cram all the contents in, boil gently for 45 minutes until scrapeable. Serve in foil tray.
As a final touch, chuck anything to hand on top.
