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Sunday Telegraph of today. The Rudd Labor government has still not revealed the number of bureaucrats to travel to Copenhagen with PM Rudd. A spokeswoman for Minister Penny Wong has said however, "It will be less than fifty"!!!! I would darn well hope so or it will be about the biggest "junket" yet by Comrade Krudd and his entourage.
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L J R, the link should be obvious. The Globe Trotting Comrade Krudd will be being transported in a RAAF B737, flown by RAAF pilots. The Cabin Crew will be RAAF personnel and if there is a more appropriate place on PPRuNe to comment on military aircraft operations I would like to be informed. BTW, if you have never been involved in such operations I guess you could be forgiven for not knowing anything about them. Comrade Krudd spends a great deal of time telling all how he wants to save the planet yet his use of RAAF transportation since being installed as PM has made a very considerable contribution to "Global Warming Emissions". I would be very interested to know how many tonnes of jet fuel have been burnt by the RAAF B737's on trips for Mr Rudd.
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The problem is that our government speaks with a forked tongue.
They have been known when times were bad to put their hands into the servicemans super fund and never replace it. Then they play silly buggers with things like the Matthews report. If you or I did it we would be had up for stealing funds that are in trust for servicemen and their families.
Then there is the VIP fleet which costs a small fortune each year, so our aces can travel in luxery. There is the cost of modifying these aircraft to suit the needs of the government.
Then there is the stealing of two of our five tankers and spending I think A$45M to bring them to VIP standard. So affectively we loose 40% of our tanker force.
Well you may what has this got to do with p prune, simple our government for their own selfish reasons is down grading the efficiency of our Air Force.
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They have been known when times were bad to put their hands into the servicemans super fund and never replace it. Then they play silly buggers with things like the Matthews report. If you or I did it we would be had up for stealing funds that are in trust for servicemen and their families.
Then there is the VIP fleet which costs a small fortune each year, so our aces can travel in luxery. There is the cost of modifying these aircraft to suit the needs of the government.
Then there is the stealing of two of our five tankers and spending I think A$45M to bring them to VIP standard. So affectively we loose 40% of our tanker force.
Well you may what has this got to do with p prune, simple our government for their own selfish reasons is down grading the efficiency of our Air Force.
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Thanks Old Fella - That is Obvious to me (being RAAF and all..!)........
But the environmental aspects of RAAF Wagga don't bother me either, as far as this forum is concerned anyway.
..crack on, you will likely get a lively debate...
But the environmental aspects of RAAF Wagga don't bother me either, as far as this forum is concerned anyway.
..crack on, you will likely get a lively debate...
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Then there is the VIP fleet which costs a small fortune each year, so our aces can travel in luxery.
Perhaps he should fly commercial, at least he would be treated properly and even stand a chance of getting to his destination on time.
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Originally Posted by alisoncc
Whilst the press made a song and dance about Rudd blowing his top over the breakfast he was served on a previous flight, if a so-called VIP crew can't even organise the Prime Minister of the country a vegetarian meal as requested, then any resemblance to it being a "VIP Flight" is in name only.
In that particular case, the PM's staff had phoned ahead to the aircraft's captain to inform him that the PM's party had already eaten and that they would be sleeping on the flight from POM to SYD, and therefore NO MEALS would be required apart from a light breakfast on approach to SYD. Thus, no evening meals were ordered or prepared
Unfortunately, the PM's staff neglected to inform the PM they had done this, and of course, he subsequently decided he was hungry after all when he got on board.
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Old Fella,
would you care to comment on the previous PM, Lil Johnny, residing in Sydney instead of The Lodge in Canberra and using the VIP fleet to commute most days when Parliament was sitting?
would you care to comment on the previous PM, Lil Johnny, residing in Sydney instead of The Lodge in Canberra and using the VIP fleet to commute most days when Parliament was sitting?
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alisoncc As one with such a comprehensive background in aviation you should not be surprised that an aircraft, of any type, can suffer a defect which precludes it being flown. Does not have to be a major failure, as any perusal of the MEL for an aircraft will show, just a critical item. BTW, commercial flights are not immune to technical delays and, of course, have inflexible schedules. To PM, I cannot condone what John Howard did, however he was not seeking to be the Saviour of the Planet as Mr Rudd is, nor do I believe that he commuted back and forth most days as you claim.
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My newspaper today says that he is taking 90 bureaucrats compared with 38 for the UK. He must feel that there is safety in numbers and likes to be surrounded by "yesmen"
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Our last dear great leader Little Johnnie (Shrub) commuted from Sydney to Canberra via a RAAF Challenger or RAAF 737 Monday to Thursdays often with only him, his advisors and various ego's on board.
Would like to see the comparison between Rudd and Howard for their trip costs to the tax payer so far.
Would like to see the comparison between Rudd and Howard for their trip costs to the tax payer so far.
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I too would like to see a comparison of travel costs between the two, but to get back to my original point, Mr Rudd believes there is a desperate need to introduce a tax on emissions and at the same time is making a very significant contribution of emissions through his use of RAAF VIP aircraft as he struts the world stage. Just a little hypocricical maybe?
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Old Fella no not at all, every other world leader attending is also flying in for the event.Until such time as video conferencing technology advances significantly to be on a par with actually attending, this is the only option.This is of global significance and I would expect the current Australian PM, regardless of their party or leaning to attend.If we do not turn up to have our say, we can hardly complain WHEN the world moves on and leaves us behind.
Regardless of an individuals thoughts on the veracity of the global warming arguments, the world is heading towards a future of cleaner and "greener" industry, if for nothing else for a more pleasant local environment.Watch India and China over the next few years with their growing and cashed up middle classes who are starting to realise that you don't have to live in your neighbours sewerage, breathe the toxic output of heavy industry or have children who think it is a novelty to see blue sky! Now, whether this cleaner future involves gas fired powerplants, thermal,solar, wind, nuclear or the darling of the coal industry, the so called "clean" coal fired power stations, technology WILL and IS changing and this costs money.
People also need to remember that the previous Howard Government was also proposing an ETS that was remarkably similiar to what the Rudd govt is proposing.And lets not forget that Howard also travelled extensively overseas as PM, as you would expect a PM to do in representing Australia and Australian interests.
Regardless of an individuals thoughts on the veracity of the global warming arguments, the world is heading towards a future of cleaner and "greener" industry, if for nothing else for a more pleasant local environment.Watch India and China over the next few years with their growing and cashed up middle classes who are starting to realise that you don't have to live in your neighbours sewerage, breathe the toxic output of heavy industry or have children who think it is a novelty to see blue sky! Now, whether this cleaner future involves gas fired powerplants, thermal,solar, wind, nuclear or the darling of the coal industry, the so called "clean" coal fired power stations, technology WILL and IS changing and this costs money.
People also need to remember that the previous Howard Government was also proposing an ETS that was remarkably similiar to what the Rudd govt is proposing.And lets not forget that Howard also travelled extensively overseas as PM, as you would expect a PM to do in representing Australia and Australian interests.
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Is it true that all new aircraft built after 2010 will by law have a CO2 capture and storage system fitted to their engines, it makes as much sense as clean coal and carbon capture and storage on powerstations.
At present estimates it would take at least 40% of the power stations output to run this system. Anyone see the problem here!!!!!
it makes as much sense as clean coal and carbon capture and storage on powerstations.At present estimates it would take at least 40% of the power stations output to run this system. Anyone see the problem here!!!!!
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Quote "As ex-RAF groundcrew, ARB licenced eng, CPL qualified and now Oz citizen, I was appalled to read that Rudd's aircraft broke down in Washington and again in Hawaii recently. Whilst the press made a song and dance about Rudd blowing his top over the breakfast he was served on a previous flight, if a so-called VIP crew can't even organise the Prime Minister of the country a vegetarian meal as requested, then any resemblance to it being a "VIP Flight" is in name only.
Perhaps he should fly commercial, at least he would be treated properly and even stand a chance of getting to his destination on time.
Alison"
Well done Alison. You must feel so superior. The RAF would have it all so much better organised.
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Perhaps he should fly commercial, at least he would be treated properly and even stand a chance of getting to his destination on time.
Alison"
Well done Alison. You must feel so superior. The RAF would have it all so much better organised.
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You have to remember that Little Kevin and his crew have been kept away from the toys of office for eleven years so it is a bit like letting kids loose in a sweet or toy shop, they just can't control themselves.
When the ALP's term of office in government is over you can expect it to leave behind statistics that will be nearly identical to their previous efforts at government, all the money in the chest given away, huge debts generated and a huge mess for the coalition to clear up, nothing unusual there.
When the ALP's term of office in government is over you can expect it to leave behind statistics that will be nearly identical to their previous efforts at government, all the money in the chest given away, huge debts generated and a huge mess for the coalition to clear up, nothing unusual there.
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rjtjrt wrote:
I would suggest that even the vaguest probability of any reliability in aircraft availability went out the window when some bean counter came up with the concept of "If it ain't broke don't fix it". In the process doing away with most aspects of aircraft maintenance. If you wait until something breaks before you examine it, then sod's law says it will break at the most inconvenient time.
I am quite sure there will be "statistics" that say reliability has improved by not having maintenance personnel strip an aircraft at major services, but then again one would have to look at the quality of the maintenance personnel's training to gain any reasonable comparison. The couple of Virgin aircraft here that have suffered broken wheel axles recently is probably a good indication of the downside of "Not fixing it until it breaks". I suspect the RAAF is no different.
Well done Alison. You must feel so superior. The RAF would have it all so much better organised.
John
John
I am quite sure there will be "statistics" that say reliability has improved by not having maintenance personnel strip an aircraft at major services, but then again one would have to look at the quality of the maintenance personnel's training to gain any reasonable comparison. The couple of Virgin aircraft here that have suffered broken wheel axles recently is probably a good indication of the downside of "Not fixing it until it breaks". I suspect the RAAF is no different.
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Do you think the RAAF (and the rest of Defence for that matter) didn't try to tell the (Labour!) government of the day that when they initiated "civilianisation" of "non-core activities"? Trouble is "non-core activities" have gradually expanded to include more things than was originally intended.
The only military element of 34SQN are the crews. But of course it's much cheaper doing it that way, and that's more important isn't it!?
The only military element of 34SQN are the crews. But of course it's much cheaper doing it that way, and that's more important isn't it!?
Do you think the RAAF (and the rest of Defence for that matter) didn't try to tell the (Labour!) government of the day that when they initiated "civilianisation" of "non-core activities"? Trouble is "non-core activities" have gradually expanded to include more things than was originally intended.
The only military element of 34SQN are the crews. But of course it's much cheaper doing it that way, and that's more important isn't it!?
The only military element of 34SQN are the crews. But of course it's much cheaper doing it that way, and that's more important isn't it!?
The ground crew have been non-military for a lot longer than the Labour government has been around. I think you would find it was the Liberals who brought in civi maintenance.
