Chinook - Hit Back Here
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STILL no reply to my letter to the MoD, dated 4 February, despite a short letter from DAS 3a (Secretariat) on 7 March stating that I would hopefully have a reply shortly after that date.
Anyone would think that they were busy with some other matter.
Perhaps they are busy preparing documents for the forthcoming Lords Select Committee.
I would, however, like a reply to my 25 questions and have written again today to ask if it would be too much trouble.
Don't forget to ask any Parliamentary candidates who have the audacity to knock on your door what their views are on this injustice.
Updates as and when.
Brian
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Anyone would think that they were busy with some other matter.
Perhaps they are busy preparing documents for the forthcoming Lords Select Committee.
I would, however, like a reply to my 25 questions and have written again today to ask if it would be too much trouble.
Don't forget to ask any Parliamentary candidates who have the audacity to knock on your door what their views are on this injustice.
Updates as and when.
Brian
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Heard that although the House of Lords Select Committee process is continuing, there will probably not be an announcement until after the general election.
However, I can assure everyone that work on this injustice will still continue. I will try to keep everyone updated with whatever information comes my way.
7th Anniversary of the crash coming up very soon. Watch this space.
Regards all.
Brian
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However, I can assure everyone that work on this injustice will still continue. I will try to keep everyone updated with whatever information comes my way.
7th Anniversary of the crash coming up very soon. Watch this space.
Regards all.
Brian
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Hi everyone,
sorry things have got a little quiet lately. I have heard that when Parliament returns on 20th June, we can expect rapid (their term) movement on this injustice.
7th anniversary nearly upon us. Watch this space.
Regards all
Brian
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sorry things have got a little quiet lately. I have heard that when Parliament returns on 20th June, we can expect rapid (their term) movement on this injustice.
7th anniversary nearly upon us. Watch this space.
Regards all
Brian
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Kiit,
do tell.........
Also, I received a reply from Mr Price (MoD), in response to my 'where is my reply' letter. He restates that as far as they are concerned, they have answered my questions so will not do so again. Have to disagree Mr Price, but there you go! Letter on it's way back to you.
He also states that the Tench Report was finally published in the House of Commons library on 30 November 2000, and that it is available to MPs. Once the dust has settled, perhaps you could all write to your (?new) MPs and ask them to get hold of a copy. I'm sure it will be interesting reading.
Regards all
Brian
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Edited because I am a fool!
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do tell.........
Also, I received a reply from Mr Price (MoD), in response to my 'where is my reply' letter. He restates that as far as they are concerned, they have answered my questions so will not do so again. Have to disagree Mr Price, but there you go! Letter on it's way back to you.
He also states that the Tench Report was finally published in the House of Commons library on 30 November 2000, and that it is available to MPs. Once the dust has settled, perhaps you could all write to your (?new) MPs and ask them to get hold of a copy. I'm sure it will be interesting reading.
Regards all
Brian
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Edited because I am a fool!
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Brian - BOI Harrier ZG475 - 1 June 95
Circumstances - Harrier on Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) testing flew into the sea.
BOI conlusion - "The cause of the accident was the failure of the pilot to prevent the aircraft from impacting the sea".
Comments by higher authority -
"The AOCinC STC reconvened the Board to seek further medical advice on short term incapacitation. Having considered additional evidence, the Board concluded that, in spite of control movements during the last 15 seconds of flight, pilot incapacitation remained a possible (factor), with a form of partial epileptic seizure being the most likely..cause."
Without commenting on this particular accident or the chap who was killed, it appears that a Harrier pilot can have an epileptic seizure. But a chinook pilot can't.
Interesting
Circumstances - Harrier on Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) testing flew into the sea.
BOI conlusion - "The cause of the accident was the failure of the pilot to prevent the aircraft from impacting the sea".
Comments by higher authority -
"The AOCinC STC reconvened the Board to seek further medical advice on short term incapacitation. Having considered additional evidence, the Board concluded that, in spite of control movements during the last 15 seconds of flight, pilot incapacitation remained a possible (factor), with a form of partial epileptic seizure being the most likely..cause."
Without commenting on this particular accident or the chap who was killed, it appears that a Harrier pilot can have an epileptic seizure. But a chinook pilot can't.
Interesting
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Brian,
For those of us who don't know, can you please let us know what the Tench report is? I will then be pleased to chase new? MP after June 7. Incidentally I have a dilemma with my own vote as the present incumbent has been quite responsive on this issue but overall, hmmm! Marginal seat too.
Edited by pulse 1 because my smilie didn't work.
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For those of us who don't know, can you please let us know what the Tench report is? I will then be pleased to chase new? MP after June 7. Incidentally I have a dilemma with my own vote as the present incumbent has been quite responsive on this issue but overall, hmmm! Marginal seat too.
Edited by pulse 1 because my smilie didn't work.
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JN,
thanks for the info regarding the BoI.
Pulse,
my apologies for the lack of information. The Tench Report was a report published by Mr Bill Tench in 1987. This was following a request by a member of the House of Lords, who asked Mr Tench (at the time he was the chief inspector of the Air Accident Investigation Branch) to compare the process of investigation between military Boards of Inquiry and the AAIB.
In his conclusion (so I believe), Mr Tench commented that the process of a military Board of Inquiry was open to too much interference from senior commanders which could lead to conflict.
This report was never allowed to go public until very recently.
Ironically, Mr Tench and Rick's father John worked together in getting accident data recorders and cockpit voice recorders fitted to all passenger carrying civilian aircraft. How easily this injustice would have been sorted, had the Chinook been fitted with such devices.
Sadly, Mr Tench passed away last year.
Please note - I'm not suggesting interference or anything improper by the Air Marshals. I believe that they reached their verdict in good faith. However, I believe they are wrong and their verdict does not conform to regulations in place at the time. Nor does it stand up to close examination. Hope that makes sense!
Regards all
Brian
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thanks for the info regarding the BoI.
Pulse,
my apologies for the lack of information. The Tench Report was a report published by Mr Bill Tench in 1987. This was following a request by a member of the House of Lords, who asked Mr Tench (at the time he was the chief inspector of the Air Accident Investigation Branch) to compare the process of investigation between military Boards of Inquiry and the AAIB.
In his conclusion (so I believe), Mr Tench commented that the process of a military Board of Inquiry was open to too much interference from senior commanders which could lead to conflict.
This report was never allowed to go public until very recently.
Ironically, Mr Tench and Rick's father John worked together in getting accident data recorders and cockpit voice recorders fitted to all passenger carrying civilian aircraft. How easily this injustice would have been sorted, had the Chinook been fitted with such devices.
Sadly, Mr Tench passed away last year.
Please note - I'm not suggesting interference or anything improper by the Air Marshals. I believe that they reached their verdict in good faith. However, I believe they are wrong and their verdict does not conform to regulations in place at the time. Nor does it stand up to close examination. Hope that makes sense!
Regards all
Brian
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John Nichol: although a throw-away line, your reference to seizures is not entirely true as there has been an instance of a Chinook pilot having been grounded as a result of having suffered an "epileptic type" collapse - as witnessed by an RAF medical assistant. I know that this is neither here nor there, but we all know what is possible.
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Today is the seventh anniversary of the accident. Again, I will dedicate this posting to the memory of my friends Jon Tapper, Rick Cook, Graham Forbes and Kev Hardie. Also, to the memory of the passengers.
I had hoped to be able to inform you all of a link to my own dedicated web site regarding this injustice, but due to an unforseen computer problem cannot do so at the moment. The site has information on the pilots, a memorial page and (thanks to the families) links to many of the key documents that form part of the 'evidence' against Jon and Rick. When they are available, read them and make your own mind up.
As soon as the site is ready, I'll post a link.
Regards all.
Brian
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I had hoped to be able to inform you all of a link to my own dedicated web site regarding this injustice, but due to an unforseen computer problem cannot do so at the moment. The site has information on the pilots, a memorial page and (thanks to the families) links to many of the key documents that form part of the 'evidence' against Jon and Rick. When they are available, read them and make your own mind up.
As soon as the site is ready, I'll post a link.
Regards all.
Brian
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Sorry, been out of circulation for a few days. I'm sure JN is correct, however that is not the inquiry I was refering to. If memory serves you need to go back to 1990. Ten good people died, the general concensus was that the President got it about right (in similarly difficult circumstances regarding evidence). However, the comments by "Higher Authority" changed the whole tone of the report.
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Unfortunate, and a blow that Martin Bell was not re-elected. He is a great campaigner and supporter and his presence will be missed within the Houses of Parliament. However, I know that Mr Bell will continue to campaign on this issue.
Perhaps Mr Blair could include him in the next peoples peers list?
Everyone now knows who their MP is, so drop them a line and give them their first task - press for this injustice to be rectified!
More news as and when.
Regards all
Brian
"Justice has no expiry date" - John Cook
Perhaps Mr Blair could include him in the next peoples peers list?
Everyone now knows who their MP is, so drop them a line and give them their first task - press for this injustice to be rectified!
More news as and when.
Regards all
Brian
"Justice has no expiry date" - John Cook
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I discovered just before the election that, due to a quirk in constituency boundaries and an error in the H of C website, I have been pestering the wrong MP for the last year. He was actually quite responsive and sent me quite a lot of helpful material. However, he lost his seat in the election. I will now start from scratch with my real MP who kept his seat without any help from me.
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Don't worry Pulse.
If it's not too much trouble, and they are both fairly receptive to the cause, could you keep them both on the go (so to speak). Thank you for all your efforts so far.
The dedicated web page is progressing nicely, and is currently being reviewed. Once it is ready, I'll post a link here.
Regards all
Brian
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If it's not too much trouble, and they are both fairly receptive to the cause, could you keep them both on the go (so to speak). Thank you for all your efforts so far.
The dedicated web page is progressing nicely, and is currently being reviewed. Once it is ready, I'll post a link here.
Regards all
Brian
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Just been told of a new publication called "Eye Spy". In it's first issue of 2001 it has a seven page article "The fatal flight of ZD576 - Whitehall's shameful cover up?" In the shops now - I'll be looking tomorrow!
Next issue is due out 5th July and will have a follow up article.
Regards all
Brian
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Next issue is due out 5th July and will have a follow up article.
Regards all
Brian
"Justice has no expiry date" - John Cook