New Sec of State for Defence?
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New Sec of State for Defence?
Andrew Marr mentioned this morning Jack Straw was being groomed for the job. How many can we have in one year? And with an election looming, time for another one or two next year!
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At which point the RAF an RN are well and truly f**ked.
I did have a lot of respect for Dannatt however, his upcoming appt with the Tories is nothing more than a back door into the House of Lords.
I did have a lot of respect for Dannatt however, his upcoming appt with the Tories is nothing more than a back door into the House of Lords.
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I have no respect for this man. Has he no idea what it might be like for the CDS with him in the back pocket of the Tories particularly should they be in government? He obviously has no concept of command chains and authority.
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Surely Dr Liam Fox as shadow defsec would be up for the post? Wouldnt be surprised if Adam Holloway got picked up for one of the junior MOD ministerial jobs.
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Bunter Soames?
Dear God no, not again. Anything but that. I'd rather have Des Browne back than Soames...
Surely the line about Jack Straw must be a wind up. The son of a conchie becoming Defence secretary, while theres a war on in Afghanistan?
Theres insults... and then theres taking the p*ss....
Dear God no, not again. Anything but that. I'd rather have Des Browne back than Soames...
Surely the line about Jack Straw must be a wind up. The son of a conchie becoming Defence secretary, while theres a war on in Afghanistan?
Theres insults... and then theres taking the p*ss....
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+ 1 for Oprah. (Anyone would think we're in a democracy ) 
If it all goes to rat**** (again), at least she's used to hearing bad news and has a very sympathetic mien (i.e. rather than just plain 'pathetic').
What a cracking idea.
If it all goes to rat**** (again), at least she's used to hearing bad news and has a very sympathetic mien (i.e. rather than just plain 'pathetic').
What a cracking idea.
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"Has he no idea what it might be like for the CDS with him in the back pocket of the Tories particularly should they be in government? He obviously has no concept of command chains and authority."
Yeah, right..... and Sir Jock Stirrup is nobody's stooge, right?
I mean, there's no way he's in Browns back pocket, eh???
How the heck can you reach CGS without having some concept of the Chain Of Command and Authority? On the surface, this appears to be a strange statement.
Are you saying that to "have an understanding", you just end up being another star ranked yes man, who nods everything through without a murmur? "Remember who is the boss?" What if the boss's judgement is to put it mildly, somewhat suspect and that lives may be at risk because of that suspect judgement? Dont you owe your subordinates anything?
Yeah.... The path to the Haddon-Cave darkside that way lies....
Dont let your obvious prejudice/hatred for the tories cloud your better judgement about what is neccessary for the military, now and for the future.. Neither of the governing parties have exactly covered themselves in glory over the last 25 years. But things were never this fd up under Thatch or Major. What has happened over the last ten years in particular has been not much short of a disaster.
Yeah, right..... and Sir Jock Stirrup is nobody's stooge, right?
I mean, there's no way he's in Browns back pocket, eh???
How the heck can you reach CGS without having some concept of the Chain Of Command and Authority? On the surface, this appears to be a strange statement.
Are you saying that to "have an understanding", you just end up being another star ranked yes man, who nods everything through without a murmur? "Remember who is the boss?" What if the boss's judgement is to put it mildly, somewhat suspect and that lives may be at risk because of that suspect judgement? Dont you owe your subordinates anything?
Yeah.... The path to the Haddon-Cave darkside that way lies....
Dont let your obvious prejudice/hatred for the tories cloud your better judgement about what is neccessary for the military, now and for the future.. Neither of the governing parties have exactly covered themselves in glory over the last 25 years. But things were never this f
d up under Thatch or Major. What has happened over the last ten years in particular has been not much short of a disaster.
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Fundamentals
There are 2 underlying issues facing the Armed Forces, regardless of the colour of the uniform, which have to be addressed: that means taking action not just talking about it or commissioning papers.
The resolution of the second item whilst it may not completely remedy the first would go a long way towards it.
Changing the Def Sec, CDS, CAS,CGS,First Sea Lord is just a way of papering over cracks.
- Overstretched
- Under resourced
The resolution of the second item whilst it may not completely remedy the first would go a long way towards it.
Changing the Def Sec, CDS, CAS,CGS,First Sea Lord is just a way of papering over cracks.
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Real Slim,
Whilst I fully concur with your assessment, under the title 'Fundamentals' should you not include the gravity of our finacial predicament? In the end, it has to come down to priorities, and in the minds of most politicos, that means 'votes' and consequently, Their job.
For what it's worth (Although not directly related), I think the whole rot was started, by our master's flawed assumptions years ago; We were out of the Cold War, and didn't have the foresight to see any other potential engagement elsewhere. The sad Irony, is that we are about to repeat the process, ie: Afganistan is the only game in town, and we will never have to do anything else un-expected! Well, I'm sorry, but if history teaches us anything (Which clearly it doesn't), we should be ready for anything.
I know it costs, I know it's difficult sometimes to justify, but the day you are most likely to stuff the family car, is the day your insurance ran out!! (If there is a God, he surely has a sense of humour and timing)
Weakness, however expressed, is Always a catalyst for expoitation and attack. It's a human, not cultural, trait. We continually ignore this truism at our cost.
We are, not even 'about to', but actually doing it actively again. Sow the seads, reap the whirlwind etc etc etc
So, in sum: It doesn't matter which 'monkey' is at the 'top', the game is set, and he/she has little or no influence over it. So I still vote for Oprah, She's personable, tallented and has held the attention of millions for many years, on many subjects. Let's face it, she can't possibly be as pointless as the last 4 or 5 incumbents.
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Whilst I fully concur with your assessment, under the title 'Fundamentals' should you not include the gravity of our finacial predicament? In the end, it has to come down to priorities, and in the minds of most politicos, that means 'votes' and consequently, Their job.
For what it's worth (Although not directly related), I think the whole rot was started, by our master's flawed assumptions years ago; We were out of the Cold War, and didn't have the foresight to see any other potential engagement elsewhere. The sad Irony, is that we are about to repeat the process, ie: Afganistan is the only game in town, and we will never have to do anything else un-expected! Well, I'm sorry, but if history teaches us anything (Which clearly it doesn't), we should be ready for anything.
I know it costs, I know it's difficult sometimes to justify, but the day you are most likely to stuff the family car, is the day your insurance ran out!! (If there is a God, he surely has a sense of humour and timing)
Weakness, however expressed, is Always a catalyst for expoitation and attack. It's a human, not cultural, trait. We continually ignore this truism at our cost.
We are, not even 'about to', but actually doing it actively again. Sow the seads, reap the whirlwind etc etc etc
So, in sum: It doesn't matter which 'monkey' is at the 'top', the game is set, and he/she has little or no influence over it. So I still vote for Oprah, She's personable, tallented and has held the attention of millions for many years, on many subjects. Let's face it, she can't possibly be as pointless as the last 4 or 5 incumbents.
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PS: "Jack Straw is being 'groomed' for the job"
Please tell me, how do you 'Groom' for incompetence, intransigence, self- interest and petty party political points scoring?
Advo
Please tell me, how do you 'Groom' for incompetence, intransigence, self- interest and petty party political points scoring?
Advo
There are 2 underlying issues facing the Armed Forces, regardless of the colour of the uniform, which have to be addressed: that means taking action not just talking about it or commissioning papers.
- Overstretched
- Under resourced
Under resourced..............Nope definitely not, the issue here relates to the best use of resources and a willingness to spend them appropriately.
There is no brownie points attached to ensuring cash is spent on the guys on the ground when you can get PR for the latest new weapon undeliverable for 5 years, 50% over budget and unusable.
James Wale (LBC 97.3 weekdays 4 - 7) would be better than Jeremy Kyle. Anytime anyone tells him about servicemen being 'shafted' in any way, he gets his staff to try to get the offending minister on the phone, and sometimes actually succeeds!
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What about the lovely Mandy? Last I heard he had taken up a new hobby of collecting as many titles as he could lay his hands on.
Gordon Brown made him First Secretary of State. Then the Department for Business was extended to take in universities, skills and space when Mandy took charge. He's also being lined up as "Minister for Information" in charge of wooing voters. S of S for Defence would bring all sorts of benefits.........
Gordon Brown made him First Secretary of State. Then the Department for Business was extended to take in universities, skills and space when Mandy took charge. He's also being lined up as "Minister for Information" in charge of wooing voters. S of S for Defence would bring all sorts of benefits.........