The FAA is bankrupt - WAFUs read this
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The FAA is bankrupt - WAFUs read this
The DLO have spent all our money and consequently the following measures will be implemented as of 1 April.
1. stop all SHAR flying.. .2. stop all Seaking flying. .3. stop all Lynx flying training. (702 closes). .4. 815 to reduce to 20 flights with only 15 hrs a month each.. .5. Lynx OEU closes.
I wish this was a joke but its a serious proposal...we are completely skint.
1. stop all SHAR flying.. .2. stop all Seaking flying. .3. stop all Lynx flying training. (702 closes). .4. 815 to reduce to 20 flights with only 15 hrs a month each.. .5. Lynx OEU closes.
I wish this was a joke but its a serious proposal...we are completely skint.
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It is a ****e state of affairs. <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> Not all Sea King/Lynx/Gaz flying will stop as Junglie squadrons dip into the JHC budget - so thats four out of lots of squadrons with Royal Navy on the tail still airborne. For how long though? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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For how long ?
What about the frontline maritime Sea King Squadrons ie 820/849 ?
Surely can't be true, we'd have heard something more concrete by now.
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What about the frontline maritime Sea King Squadrons ie 820/849 ?
Surely can't be true, we'd have heard something more concrete by now.
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Whilst I admire your scare-mongering attitude, please post with some semblance of reality.
All depts in the MOD are required to come with pain and grief statements on savings measures. You have obviously picked up on the untakable measures that are often thrown around at this time of year to scare Ministers and Admirals into action.
Indeed the DLO is still in trouble and not meeting its projected budget or savings, but you have to remember that Tony and his Cronies love the military as their tool for good.
Indeed didn't Buffoon himself say this morning that more resources (read £££) are required by the MOD.
If their grounding helicopters, not sailing ships, tanks in the garage and planes on the ground it all reads GOVT own goal!! Therefore read politically unacceptable.
By the way are you prepared to give up some of your FRI so you can fly.
All depts in the MOD are required to come with pain and grief statements on savings measures. You have obviously picked up on the untakable measures that are often thrown around at this time of year to scare Ministers and Admirals into action.
Indeed the DLO is still in trouble and not meeting its projected budget or savings, but you have to remember that Tony and his Cronies love the military as their tool for good.
Indeed didn't Buffoon himself say this morning that more resources (read £££) are required by the MOD.
If their grounding helicopters, not sailing ships, tanks in the garage and planes on the ground it all reads GOVT own goal!! Therefore read politically unacceptable.
By the way are you prepared to give up some of your FRI so you can fly.
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SI. .Giving back FRI to keep the Fleet Air Finger going is a nobby statement.. .Most of us who are or have served or serving in hte FAA have given their all to the organisation. Indeed many have lost colleagues in accidents, wives in divorces and become strangers to their children due to lengthy deployments. It is because of these factors that FRI was bought in. FRI is a cost neutral mechanism to keep the show on the road.
The personnel of the FAA give daily of their enthusiasm, loyalty and energy to do a professional, skilled and largely unseen job at sea. If and when the Crabs assume command you will notice a distinct an measurable drop in OC plus a huge rise in TE and other claims as they rigidly apply their rules.
Rant over I shall now duck behind the nearest bulwrk and start cleaning for a sea inspection!
The personnel of the FAA give daily of their enthusiasm, loyalty and energy to do a professional, skilled and largely unseen job at sea. If and when the Crabs assume command you will notice a distinct an measurable drop in OC plus a huge rise in TE and other claims as they rigidly apply their rules.
Rant over I shall now duck behind the nearest bulwrk and start cleaning for a sea inspection!
Surely the proposals Bruiserloose has talked about CANNOT happen. If the government seriously suggests them that'll be pushing the RN too far...
Having the sort of roles we have, without proper air cover etc (ie if the cutbacks were implemented) would make being in the Navy suicidal. Remember ship losses in the Falkland's due to having no AEW (and not enough Sea Harriers)?
Its bad enough what they done already through, unwarranted political interference and their obsession with "Jointery"....like moving the SHAR force to RAF bases, etc, etc
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Having the sort of roles we have, without proper air cover etc (ie if the cutbacks were implemented) would make being in the Navy suicidal. Remember ship losses in the Falkland's due to having no AEW (and not enough Sea Harriers)?
Its bad enough what they done already through, unwarranted political interference and their obsession with "Jointery"....like moving the SHAR force to RAF bases, etc, etc
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Looking at the MOD website today, I notice that the are asking for suggestions....
How about keep the Fleet Air Arm flying, and stop interfering with it (jointery, moving SHARs to RAF bases etc)??
As you may have guessed, I'm not a WAFU...my eyesight is nowhere near good enough. I'm just a dark blue guy who realises his survival might depend on the Fleet Air Arm one day.....
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How about keep the Fleet Air Arm flying, and stop interfering with it (jointery, moving SHARs to RAF bases etc)??
As you may have guessed, I'm not a WAFU...my eyesight is nowhere near good enough. I'm just a dark blue guy who realises his survival might depend on the Fleet Air Arm one day.....
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I'm going to admit total ignorance here, but what the f*ck does WAFU mean? I understand most TLAs, but this particular FLA I haven't come across before.....
Oh - and "Fly Navy". But only in real fire-breathing fast jet aircraft hurling themselves at the deck of a real carrier!!
Oh - and "Fly Navy". But only in real fire-breathing fast jet aircraft hurling themselves at the deck of a real carrier!!
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Which do you want, the accepted (mainly by fisheads) explanation or the true (albeit less funny) explanation??
BTW, I'm not going to post this twice, even if you did ask twice!!
Which do you want, the accepted (mainly by fisheads) explanation or the true (albeit less funny) explanation??
BTW, I'm not going to post this twice, even if you did ask twice!!
FJJP
I've heard that rumour too.....surely they can't do that....that'll make serving in surface warships very dangerous....
Anyway, the Sea Harrier is due a bit of an upgrade this year, JTIDS and improved nav/attack systems, plus the software is being rewritten for the SHAR mission computer...to go with its Blue Visen radar and AMRAAM missiles.
See www.era.co.uk OR www.aeroint.com for details
Only a complete F****** would consider leaving the Navy with no air defence aircraft....
I've heard that rumour too.....surely they can't do that....that'll make serving in surface warships very dangerous....
Anyway, the Sea Harrier is due a bit of an upgrade this year, JTIDS and improved nav/attack systems, plus the software is being rewritten for the SHAR mission computer...to go with its Blue Visen radar and AMRAAM missiles.
See www.era.co.uk OR www.aeroint.com for details
Only a complete F****** would consider leaving the Navy with no air defence aircraft....
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Thanks for the WAFU decryption, folks!
Harrier II+ looks just the job - which is probably why the FAA won't get it. Are the Purple People really considering turning your war canoes into bomber trucks? Organic fleet air defence was found to be dreadfully lacking during the Malvinas campaign - second only to the total lack of AEW......
JTIDS really is 'the most significant development in Air Defence since radar' as a well-respected Air Officer and fighter mate once described it. AeI got our UOR JTIDS from paper to in service in VC10 and TriStar within a matter of weeks around the time of Kosovo - and it worked on its first switch on. We were getting a SRAP showing North Sea fighters whilst we were taxiing at the Secret Oxfordshire Airbase - and the new kit will be even better. But sadly it's only being fitted to a few tankers rather than to the AAR fleet due to funding constraints......
Harrier II+ looks just the job - which is probably why the FAA won't get it. Are the Purple People really considering turning your war canoes into bomber trucks? Organic fleet air defence was found to be dreadfully lacking during the Malvinas campaign - second only to the total lack of AEW......
JTIDS really is 'the most significant development in Air Defence since radar' as a well-respected Air Officer and fighter mate once described it. AeI got our UOR JTIDS from paper to in service in VC10 and TriStar within a matter of weeks around the time of Kosovo - and it worked on its first switch on. We were getting a SRAP showing North Sea fighters whilst we were taxiing at the Secret Oxfordshire Airbase - and the new kit will be even better. But sadly it's only being fitted to a few tankers rather than to the AAR fleet due to funding constraints......
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Of course, the ultimate solution to the problem would be to revamp the GR7/FA2 into 1 multi-purpose varient including an AI radar in the nose... Oh! I remember! That was proposed once before, but their Lordships and Airships were so intent in cutting each other's throats and maintaining the inter-Service rivalry that the project was scrapped.
Oh! What could have been!
Oh! What could have been!
Why not just upgrade both the SHAR FA2 and the Harrier GR7, but keep them at their original bases (ie Sea Harriers at Yeovilton)....
Jointery can be taken too far....
Anyway a friend assures me that the SHAR FA2 is just as capable as any fighter version of the Harrier II would be.....
Jointery can be taken too far....
Anyway a friend assures me that the SHAR FA2 is just as capable as any fighter version of the Harrier II would be.....