Falklands Farce
'Spicy' is about the only worthwhile reason for being in the Islas Malvinas! Yes - after the dictators clashed over the damn place in '82 we were right to eject the Argies by force - but that was nearly 20 years ago! Mission creep Malvinas? Absolutely!
PS - Captain Morgan's Spiced Gold is a good deal in the Akrotiri Duty Free shop as well!
PS - Captain Morgan's Spiced Gold is a good deal in the Akrotiri Duty Free shop as well!
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Basically I'm shocked.. .So far the only reasons that have been given are:
OIL. Don't we have plenty of this in the North sea, and in the new Atlantic field W of Shetland?
Manganese Nodules: What use are they?
Colonialism: Gentlemen please. We are not in the habit of imperial rule and "they don't like it up 'em."
Training value: Excuse for pilots to break UK LL Trg rules in a more flexible environment.
Spicy Rum: Seems to be the main reason for detachments down there. Is this a beer goggle substitute?
Islas Malvinas: Can we stick to topic please. I don't know where these places are, but I'm quite sure they're not relevant.
Are we planning to send 4 Eurofighters down here in two years time? (Or will all the experienced crews be kept in the UK - for The Air Defence of London?)
So apart from weak political reasoning I can see no other point of us being down there.
OIL. Don't we have plenty of this in the North sea, and in the new Atlantic field W of Shetland?
Manganese Nodules: What use are they?
Colonialism: Gentlemen please. We are not in the habit of imperial rule and "they don't like it up 'em."
Training value: Excuse for pilots to break UK LL Trg rules in a more flexible environment.
Spicy Rum: Seems to be the main reason for detachments down there. Is this a beer goggle substitute?
Islas Malvinas: Can we stick to topic please. I don't know where these places are, but I'm quite sure they're not relevant.
Are we planning to send 4 Eurofighters down here in two years time? (Or will all the experienced crews be kept in the UK - for The Air Defence of London?)
So apart from weak political reasoning I can see no other point of us being down there.
AG: Much enjoyed your Islas Malvinas joke.
But training value is a relevant factor. . .And so is defending the rights of the Falklanders.. .And so is oil. We don't have enough in the N.Sea (no such thing as enough).
And no-one of expects four EFs to be detached to the Falklands in two years. Many of us don't expect the damned thing to actually even be in frontline squadron service by then! The Falklands Flight will doubtless be the very last home of the F.Mk 3, just as Belize was for the Harrier GR.Mk 3, so no EF in the Falklands for the foreseeable.
But training value is a relevant factor. . .And so is defending the rights of the Falklanders.. .And so is oil. We don't have enough in the N.Sea (no such thing as enough).
And no-one of expects four EFs to be detached to the Falklands in two years. Many of us don't expect the damned thing to actually even be in frontline squadron service by then! The Falklands Flight will doubtless be the very last home of the F.Mk 3, just as Belize was for the Harrier GR.Mk 3, so no EF in the Falklands for the foreseeable.
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Admin Gwuwu,. .it all becomes clear now. Your last post was so completely retarded that you can't possibly be for real. 16 year olds flipping burgers for McD's in Manilla have better OS knowledge! Congratulationson a great jape - nearly 200 takers but now you can fcuk off.
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Oil? What oil? Thats a bloody ruse used to justify hanging onto the garrison. I do not decry the battles fought to get the place back from the Argies but the amount spent on garrisoning the place is NOT justified. Bloody nonsense.
Oil? What oil? Thats a bloody ruse used to justify hanging onto the garrison. I do not decry the battles fought to get the place back from the Argies but the amount spent on garrisoning the place is NOT justified. Bloody nonsense.
Didn't he say on one thread that he was a university graduate? If so, I'd like to hand mine back since they're apparently meaningless now.
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Just joined the thread and see that AG is taking a bit of a battering. If he is so wrong, then I just wondered how much oil there was off Gib. I suspect there cannot be much, otherwise we would not be negotiating to give it away!
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Spicey = Cap'n Morgan's Spiced Rum.
A ridiculous price when I did my second 4 month stint 4 yrs ago. Two bottles of fizz to go with it cost more than the rum itself. Made a welcome change from Reds Whites Greens etc etc . . .
The worst thing about the FI is the fact that no-one in the UK gives a flying f**! about the quality of life down there. Facilities are cr@p, and cost of calls home extortionate for reasons various.
In fact the best thing that happened while I was there was a looney coming to rescue us in a small private plane. He brought tea bags (one for every serviceman) oranges (for vitamin C) and flour so we could make bread. Also had a petition signed by a load of Argies saying they wanted to be friends. Didn't get much of a welcome though, intercepted by an F3 then pounced on by the RIC when he landed and marched off to jail. Anyone out there remember it?
Spicey = Cap'n Morgan's Spiced Rum.
A ridiculous price when I did my second 4 month stint 4 yrs ago. Two bottles of fizz to go with it cost more than the rum itself. Made a welcome change from Reds Whites Greens etc etc . . .
The worst thing about the FI is the fact that no-one in the UK gives a flying f**! about the quality of life down there. Facilities are cr@p, and cost of calls home extortionate for reasons various.
In fact the best thing that happened while I was there was a looney coming to rescue us in a small private plane. He brought tea bags (one for every serviceman) oranges (for vitamin C) and flour so we could make bread. Also had a petition signed by a load of Argies saying they wanted to be friends. Didn't get much of a welcome though, intercepted by an F3 then pounced on by the RIC when he landed and marched off to jail. Anyone out there remember it?
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AG there is more to training than just low level flying, believe it or not. Come to think of it you'll probably only believe what a bloke said in the pub, rather than reasoned argument from men and women with experience.. .I imagine the hierarchy (god I love that word) would be very interested to here of the LL rules that are flexed here. I think that you will find that they are very much adhered to, and safety is indeed the number one priority.. .Ok so the airfield gets beat up fairly regularly, but we're all tax payers and we deserve to get a flypast whether we want one or not. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Been away for a bit. Come back to PP and I find the whole site up in arms about somebody called Admin Guru.. .Read all your posts my friend. I have to say I was sitting on the fence as to whether or not you are for real or a wind-up merchant.
However, when I read your last post I fell off the fence, I am just very embarrassed that I hadn't figured it out earlier. I think you overplayed the gross stupidity bit and should of stuck with the outrageous sweeping statements, and the pompous controversy, they were really working well, and getting some large fish.
My guess is that you are definately aircrew; probably, because you seem to like navigators, a nav (too obvious?). And coz of all this Falklands drivel, an F3 mate. I bet you are one of those guys responsible for the in House Coningsby fanzine, Viz type thing that was going about a few years back (very very funny for anyone that hasn't seen it. Anyone remember what it was called?). . .I digress, I take my hat off to you sir for an outstanding wind-up and I look forward to your next topic with baited breath.
Please tell us if I guessed right. Then again, keep it up, never seen Jacko so excited.
However, when I read your last post I fell off the fence, I am just very embarrassed that I hadn't figured it out earlier. I think you overplayed the gross stupidity bit and should of stuck with the outrageous sweeping statements, and the pompous controversy, they were really working well, and getting some large fish.
My guess is that you are definately aircrew; probably, because you seem to like navigators, a nav (too obvious?). And coz of all this Falklands drivel, an F3 mate. I bet you are one of those guys responsible for the in House Coningsby fanzine, Viz type thing that was going about a few years back (very very funny for anyone that hasn't seen it. Anyone remember what it was called?). . .I digress, I take my hat off to you sir for an outstanding wind-up and I look forward to your next topic with baited breath.
Please tell us if I guessed right. Then again, keep it up, never seen Jacko so excited.
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Desperado,
I think you're right; that last post was a giveaway. AG, you're going to have to try and work a little harder at the banter. I wait for the next AG topic with baited breath. Maybe we should start a "who is Admin guru" topic? <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
I think you're right; that last post was a giveaway. AG, you're going to have to try and work a little harder at the banter. I wait for the next AG topic with baited breath. Maybe we should start a "who is Admin guru" topic? <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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Well, after 42 years plus in the RAF, (Ancient Truckie!!) first in & last out in many places AG probably has never heard of I am astonished by his attitude and lack of knowledge. Firstly, if he has a geography degree, he should know that manganese nodules are a prime source of high grade magnesium, heard of this AG? It is used not only in the aviation and space environment but also indutry. manganese nodules have the highest ratio of metal to waste known so can be even more valuable than oil.
. .Secondly, is he really in the RAF? Happy hours are great fun for chest poking, beer swilling, slagging off, etc, but does he really believe everything he hears there. He either doesn't drink enough (he remembers what was said!!) or if he is a wannabe Nav....I wouldn't fly with him with that attitude....Me, I have 12000 hours+...not in bulldogs, not on auto-pilot, 21 different types, still slaggin off handbrake house and lovin it!!
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. .Secondly, is he really in the RAF? Happy hours are great fun for chest poking, beer swilling, slagging off, etc, but does he really believe everything he hears there. He either doesn't drink enough (he remembers what was said!!) or if he is a wannabe Nav....I wouldn't fly with him with that attitude....Me, I have 12000 hours+...not in bulldogs, not on auto-pilot, 21 different types, still slaggin off handbrake house and lovin it!!
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Desperado, the mag you refer to, I believe, was called The Irrigator (incorporating metal detecting monthly) an extremely original and very funny publication, my thanks to the XXIX personnel who brightened my time in the flat lands and risked certain posting to somewhere near Iceland if OC Admin ever found out who was responsible. ps do not confuse with the 43(F) Sqn attempt at a similar publication (The Cautious Cock)which was an incredible bunch of cr@p.. .Uncle Fester you are my hero (or you would be if you flew FJ's instead of trucks)I like your attitude.. . <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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Right, here we go again. Firstly, manganese nodules - of course I didnt study them at uni in depth. I did a geography degree, not geology. You must have fun nights in reading about them! However, in the quest for knowledge, I have looked them up online. Your argument does not stand! The UK does not have exclusive rights to these and in fact we dont even mine them in sufficient quantity for it to be a large factor. In fact that is just the same as the oil argument. By the way thank you for informing me that aluminium is used in the aerospace industry. I thought it was lead. Tw@t!. .And before you come back with the lame oil argument agian, I know that the new oil fields west of shetland have more forecast oil than the falklands region. So we have enough to last us well into the next century, with an infrastructure already built to handle the production thanks to the N sea.. .Secondly, it seems that the opinions of young people in the RAF are dismissed readily because they haven`t got enough "time in". Young people such as myself have just as much to offer, especially new ideas - probably more so than FESTER! Who is stuck in his crusty old ways.
Oh and I am not a Nav but I have applied for my crossover (application waiting on my desk). I only hope when I get my brevet(even though i think they are elitist) my opinions will be listened to more than they are now.
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Oh and I am not a Nav but I have applied for my crossover (application waiting on my desk). I only hope when I get my brevet(even though i think they are elitist) my opinions will be listened to more than they are now.
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And another thing.
I had droped the pompous IOT style of posting because it was apparently not chatty enough for this God like forum. And my last post gets slated due it lacking credibility for its casual nature. MAKE YOUR MINDS UP CRETINS.
I have tried to change but have decided to stick with my original style of prose - whether it conforms or not. I think the Indian cricket chief was quoted in today's Telegraph as describing the English team as "Champion whiners." I think this is a VERY apt phrase for you lot.. .Please read my above post and coment constructively. Jacko - I let the mis-spelt 'opposite' (you said "apposite") go before but now I'm angry.. . <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
I had droped the pompous IOT style of posting because it was apparently not chatty enough for this God like forum. And my last post gets slated due it lacking credibility for its casual nature. MAKE YOUR MINDS UP CRETINS.
I have tried to change but have decided to stick with my original style of prose - whether it conforms or not. I think the Indian cricket chief was quoted in today's Telegraph as describing the English team as "Champion whiners." I think this is a VERY apt phrase for you lot.. .Please read my above post and coment constructively. Jacko - I let the mis-spelt 'opposite' (you said "apposite") go before but now I'm angry.. . <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
[quote] Islas Malvinas: Can we stick to topic please. I don't know where these places are, but I'm quite sure they're not relevant. <hr></blockquote>
So much for your geography degree.
And do you really not know what "apposite" means?
Point for JN: only use words with one syllable.
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So much for your geography degree.
And do you really not know what "apposite" means?
Point for JN: only use words with one syllable.
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AG, mate, might I draw your attention to the maxim: ‘Proper Planning Prevents **** -Poor Performance’. In other words, why don’t you check before you gab on and make yourself look foolish? I didn’t when I defended my typo (their instead of they’re, as I recall), but fortunately had time to edit my post and backtrack a tad. Hope the following grammatical advice will be ‘constructive’ enough for you, however.
When I referred to the phrase ‘****** on your wing’ being apposite, I meant apposite. Not opposite. Please check before correcting my spelling.
Apposite, as in ‘apt, well suited for the purpose, appropriate’. Look it up in a dictionary if you need further clarification.
And while you’re at it, how about didn’t (not didnt), again (not agian), Shetlands (cap S), Falklands (cap F), North Sea (not sea) and please tidy up the sentence: “And my last post gets slated due it lacking credibility for its casual nature.” I’m modern and with it and recognise that stylistically there may be justifications for beginning a sentence with the word ‘and’, but the rest is a bit untidy. Do you mean ‘due to its lacking credibility’ or ‘because it lacks credibility due to its casual nature’....?
I don't know where you got your Geography degree, but can only assume that it was a former Poly that has hit fairly hard times, since most Universities still demand a better standard of written English than you display. I'm horrified that Cranwell do not have a higher standard, too.
With regard to the oil and other natural reserves around the Falklands and in Antarctica (which our ‘posession’ of the Falklands gives us some claim to) it is a simple fact that a country like ours can never have too much oil, and the potential oil wealth in the South Atlantic (which remains unclear) cannot simply be set aside. Just because we still have untapped reserves in the North Sea does not mean that we can or should ignore other potential reserves. Because you eat breakfast in the Mess doesn’t mean that you won’t also want lunch in the Feeder.
And it’s not because you’re young that people slag you off, it’s because you open your mouth before you engage your brain. Young people’s energy and enthusiasm and ‘freshness’ often means that their contribution is useful, but there’s a difference between being an enthusiastic ideas man and an embittered and arrogant gob-*****. I don’t know you, but I’d lay odds that ‘crusty’ Uncle Fester is worth a dozen of you.. .
When I referred to the phrase ‘****** on your wing’ being apposite, I meant apposite. Not opposite. Please check before correcting my spelling.
Apposite, as in ‘apt, well suited for the purpose, appropriate’. Look it up in a dictionary if you need further clarification.
And while you’re at it, how about didn’t (not didnt), again (not agian), Shetlands (cap S), Falklands (cap F), North Sea (not sea) and please tidy up the sentence: “And my last post gets slated due it lacking credibility for its casual nature.” I’m modern and with it and recognise that stylistically there may be justifications for beginning a sentence with the word ‘and’, but the rest is a bit untidy. Do you mean ‘due to its lacking credibility’ or ‘because it lacks credibility due to its casual nature’....?
I don't know where you got your Geography degree, but can only assume that it was a former Poly that has hit fairly hard times, since most Universities still demand a better standard of written English than you display. I'm horrified that Cranwell do not have a higher standard, too.
With regard to the oil and other natural reserves around the Falklands and in Antarctica (which our ‘posession’ of the Falklands gives us some claim to) it is a simple fact that a country like ours can never have too much oil, and the potential oil wealth in the South Atlantic (which remains unclear) cannot simply be set aside. Just because we still have untapped reserves in the North Sea does not mean that we can or should ignore other potential reserves. Because you eat breakfast in the Mess doesn’t mean that you won’t also want lunch in the Feeder.
And it’s not because you’re young that people slag you off, it’s because you open your mouth before you engage your brain. Young people’s energy and enthusiasm and ‘freshness’ often means that their contribution is useful, but there’s a difference between being an enthusiastic ideas man and an embittered and arrogant gob-*****. I don’t know you, but I’d lay odds that ‘crusty’ Uncle Fester is worth a dozen of you.. .