Falklands Farce
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I think your posts are so eagerly torn apart is because they are so badly researched. The capability of the F3 in its present iteration is sufficient for the theatres in which it operates. The latent capability of the paltform and capabilities due to be incorporated this year seem to be unknown to you or your drinking buddies. I suspect you will never come close enough to the sharp end of operations to find out, so don't complain when people begin to build up a head of steam.
PS I enjoy the reactions they provoke it is most entertaining
I think your posts are so eagerly torn apart is because they are so badly researched. The capability of the F3 in its present iteration is sufficient for the theatres in which it operates. The latent capability of the paltform and capabilities due to be incorporated this year seem to be unknown to you or your drinking buddies. I suspect you will never come close enough to the sharp end of operations to find out, so don't complain when people begin to build up a head of steam.
PS I enjoy the reactions they provoke it is most entertaining
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AG. .When you decide to go down in flames you do make a good job of it!. .Purely for your edification - J is correct, the F3 could do the SEAD job with minimal modifications. Trust me I know. You need to change your drinking buddies - they appear to know Jack-sh@t too, which in your case ain't a big help is it?
Rule 1: Walk softly and keep quiet about things you are ignorant of unless it is to POLITELY ask questions!!! <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> Keep posting, just get a grip and stop trying so succesfully to be a tw@t
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Rule 1: Walk softly and keep quiet about things you are ignorant of unless it is to POLITELY ask questions!!! <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> Keep posting, just get a grip and stop trying so succesfully to be a tw@t
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So far as I know, the FCO did not assess "nil threat" a few weeks before the Germans (?) Spanish (?) or Romans invaded us. However, I would still keep a wary eye on the Germans, spanish and Romans. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
So far as I know, the FCO did not assess "nil threat" a few weeks before the Germans (?) Spanish (?) or Romans invaded us. However, I would still keep a wary eye on the Germans, spanish and Romans. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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Fg Off MS - some good points.
Jacko - amazed that you use a few bulldog hours back in the seventies as justification to knock my credibilty and talk in an authoratative way on the F3. If it is such a grrrreat fighter why is everyone so panicky and annoyed that EFA is late? Besides how good can a fighter be that has a radar made by a company that usually makes cement?!
If OIL is the main reason for us keeping the Falkland Isles I would like to see this defended on a political stance - I thought we were there to defend against the threat from Argentina. . .If it is just for training inexperienced crews on a desolate island - then there must be cheaper ways to do this. Simulator perhaps?
Jacko - amazed that you use a few bulldog hours back in the seventies as justification to knock my credibilty and talk in an authoratative way on the F3. If it is such a grrrreat fighter why is everyone so panicky and annoyed that EFA is late? Besides how good can a fighter be that has a radar made by a company that usually makes cement?!
If OIL is the main reason for us keeping the Falkland Isles I would like to see this defended on a political stance - I thought we were there to defend against the threat from Argentina. . .If it is just for training inexperienced crews on a desolate island - then there must be cheaper ways to do this. Simulator perhaps?
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Do you really belong in the RAF? I think you should have a long hard think of where your talents lie and follow an alternative career. As for being an Officer - I don't think so.
Do you really belong in the RAF? I think you should have a long hard think of where your talents lie and follow an alternative career. As for being an Officer - I don't think so.
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Pitotheat - Although AG`s comments may be somewhat inflammatory, I dont think you can really question whether he is an officer in the RAF can you? Are/were you?
There are all types of people in the RAF, commissioned or not and they are all entitled to their own opinions, at least he is expressing his, liked or not! Most people would have backed down a long time ago.
Thats not to say I agree with those views, just playing the man on the fence.
There are all types of people in the RAF, commissioned or not and they are all entitled to their own opinions, at least he is expressing his, liked or not! Most people would have backed down a long time ago.
Thats not to say I agree with those views, just playing the man on the fence.
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AG: Are you or were you really Admin or do you just like to act like an ignoramous? You give decent Admin Pers a bad name.
Yes the F3 is an old aircraft designed for an old threat but it is one of the newest combat aircraft that the RAF currently owns! The fault being that too many bean counters get in on the procurement phase delaying any chance of getting the right aircraft at the right time.
Yes lots of people are annoyed about the fact that EFA is late and it is just that, it is late like everything else we seem to try to bring into service. Just look at C130J, Merlin, Chinook update, GR7, MRA4......the list only ends because the airforce has shrunk!!!
As for the Falklands. They are British and so we should defend them (until the politicians see fit to sell off some more real estate to pay for MPs pay and benefits increases). It is not just the oil potential in the area but my A-level Geology taught me about some pretty useful deep sea mineral deposits in that area of ocean too (manganese nodules etc). Again,like oil, the only reasons we dont hear about them are:
a. It is too costly to extract them at the moment.
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b. We tend not to let on to the real reasons behind fighting over a country. I refer you to WW1, WW2, Korea, Iraq/Kuwait, Kosovo ... (Afghanistan??). The real reasons tend to be a little too tastless for Jo Public.
Get a life you are holding on too tightly!!! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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Yes the F3 is an old aircraft designed for an old threat but it is one of the newest combat aircraft that the RAF currently owns! The fault being that too many bean counters get in on the procurement phase delaying any chance of getting the right aircraft at the right time.
Yes lots of people are annoyed about the fact that EFA is late and it is just that, it is late like everything else we seem to try to bring into service. Just look at C130J, Merlin, Chinook update, GR7, MRA4......the list only ends because the airforce has shrunk!!!
As for the Falklands. They are British and so we should defend them (until the politicians see fit to sell off some more real estate to pay for MPs pay and benefits increases). It is not just the oil potential in the area but my A-level Geology taught me about some pretty useful deep sea mineral deposits in that area of ocean too (manganese nodules etc). Again,like oil, the only reasons we dont hear about them are:
a. It is too costly to extract them at the moment.
and
b. We tend not to let on to the real reasons behind fighting over a country. I refer you to WW1, WW2, Korea, Iraq/Kuwait, Kosovo ... (Afghanistan??). The real reasons tend to be a little too tastless for Jo Public.
Get a life you are holding on too tightly!!! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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[quote]Thats not to say I agree with those views, just playing the man on the fence.<hr></blockquote>
I do believe thats my job
AG. .For what it is worth, as a taxpayer, I am quite happy - nay insistant - that the Falklands are defended. Its all about the right of self determination.
If you dont like it, well thats your opinion, and people have died to you can freely express it.
[quote]Thats not to say I agree with those views, just playing the man on the fence.<hr></blockquote>
I do believe thats my job
AG. .For what it is worth, as a taxpayer, I am quite happy - nay insistant - that the Falklands are defended. Its all about the right of self determination.
If you dont like it, well thats your opinion, and people have died to you can freely express it.
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Sorry "Man on the Fence". Maybe I should have said Devils Advocate. No one called that is there?!. .Just off to take the "BEagles" out for a late nite walk.
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Fox 4 are you talking to me? Well are you?
BTW, Admin Gonad youre a fncking tool and you should be shot for the benefit of your country. How can a first tourist be so bitter so soon. It normally takes about 20 yrs of admin sec or stag on the main gate to hate the the RAF as much as you do. Now p{ss off. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
BTW, Admin Gonad youre a fncking tool and you should be shot for the benefit of your country. How can a first tourist be so bitter so soon. It normally takes about 20 yrs of admin sec or stag on the main gate to hate the the RAF as much as you do. Now p{ss off. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
I don't think we nicked them, we just sorted of ended up with them. For a while there was a French settlement on one Island and a British on the other - neither knowing of the other's existance for a while. The French named them the 'Maloiennes' from the settlers origin, St Malo. This was the origin of the Spanish 'Malvinas'. Eventually, the froggies decided the place was cr@p and went home, but we're still there!
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I don't want to get in a slagging match with you, however, his general lack of service knowledge, courtesy and respect for the Service he claims to be part of lead me to hold my views. If he truly is a first tour pen-pusher then my comments are even more relevant. The RAF can not be that desperate for support staff these days that this fool has got through the system.
I am mighty thankful that I am now looking from the outside in after 20 years of serving with a truly professional team in all branches.
I don't want to get in a slagging match with you, however, his general lack of service knowledge, courtesy and respect for the Service he claims to be part of lead me to hold my views. If he truly is a first tour pen-pusher then my comments are even more relevant. The RAF can not be that desperate for support staff these days that this fool has got through the system.
I am mighty thankful that I am now looking from the outside in after 20 years of serving with a truly professional team in all branches.
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Apologies Pitoheat, just trying to be a bit impartial thats all. But your point is a valid one.
Devils advocate - nothing meant, didnt know u actually existed either! Maybe I should have used the word impartial initially.
Going for a cup of tea now!
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Devils advocate - nothing meant, didnt know u actually existed either! Maybe I should have used the word impartial initially.
Going for a cup of tea now!
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I really do think we should stop encouraging the little runt to keep having a pop.. .He is clearly deluded and has probably spent too much time talking to other like minded second tourists who will obviously be far more worldly wise about all things airforce!. .I suggest we all just leave him to his paper clips
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brown eye "little runt" indeed. I don't see you with a thread named after you!. .As for nav attacking - what the hell are manganese nodules? If they are so important why is there no world market for them. By the way I did a Geography degree at university. Where do these nodules fit into the real world of budgets anyway?
Just food for thought people. Anyway we digress. Wasn't my intial question posed to seek an explanation for why we have fighters down there? Wouldn't an army garrison do the same job on a cheaper scale? If air assets are needed then the F3s can be flown down in the back of the C17 (see other thread.)
Just food for thought people. Anyway we digress. Wasn't my intial question posed to seek an explanation for why we have fighters down there? Wouldn't an army garrison do the same job on a cheaper scale? If air assets are needed then the F3s can be flown down in the back of the C17 (see other thread.)
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Hi AG
Have you thought of applying for the post of chief instructor at the RAF Fly Fishing Association?
Truly you make a magnificent cast - I bow to a master of the craft!
Let's see who who bites - this could be really funny.
Sven
Have you thought of applying for the post of chief instructor at the RAF Fly Fishing Association?
Truly you make a magnificent cast - I bow to a master of the craft!
Let's see who who bites - this could be really funny.
Sven
Great idea AG, fly em down after their needed. I'm sure the CO of Basa Aerea Malvinas will make sure his SAMs hold their fire as No.99 Squadron are on finals.....
Or that 99 will be able to LAPE the F3s out of the back after the FAA have cratered the runway. And they can go round again to drop the wings and tailplanes, after all.
A garrison without AD? Which planet are you from?
An Army garrison strong enough to repel invasion cheaper than a four FJ det intended to deter one? You, sir, are a strategic and economic genius.
Or that 99 will be able to LAPE the F3s out of the back after the FAA have cratered the runway. And they can go round again to drop the wings and tailplanes, after all.
A garrison without AD? Which planet are you from?
An Army garrison strong enough to repel invasion cheaper than a four FJ det intended to deter one? You, sir, are a strategic and economic genius.
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Any else heard the rumour that the SAR Sea Kings may be pulled out, or dropped to one crew only. Apparently, servicability in the UK is pretty poor at present and the pool of manpower for crews is not much better.
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Jacko. .I don't think the Argies are going to invade on an ad hoc basis. If the political situation deteriorates, then send the F3s down. . .As for AD - have you never heard of Rapier?
Also - "their" in your first sentence. Should that not read "they are" or "they`re". Not very impressive for a journo really! Is it the "Beano" that you write for?
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Also - "their" in your first sentence. Should that not read "they are" or "they`re". Not very impressive for a journo really! Is it the "Beano" that you write for?
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