Sexist and childish posts!!!
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Britannia. As one half of the pair responsible for starting the horrifically sexist "women" thread, I just thought you might like to know that the mathematical proof that women are evil was sent to me by, wait for it, my GIRLfriend!!
Now S@d off out of our forum!
Are you as old and decrepit as the aircraft you use as a username?
Now S@d off out of our forum!
Are you as old and decrepit as the aircraft you use as a username?
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BEagle - Just a reminder that the Internet, and PPrune as part of it, is an anarchic place where people can say what they want. Some posts MAY be puerile, but so what? That's the right we all enjoy under freedom of speech.
What IS offensive is your "I am the Godfather and Wise Old Statesman of the military forum" attitude - what gives YOU the right to apologise on behalf of any of US? Looking at the thread that so incensed Brittania, there are two posts from you - one containing the innuendo you deride, and the other stereotyping Northerners. Now, I'm not offended particularly by either, but if you wish to remain on your self-constructed pedestal, don't come down and mix it with us childish mortals - sanctimonious git.
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What IS offensive is your "I am the Godfather and Wise Old Statesman of the military forum" attitude - what gives YOU the right to apologise on behalf of any of US? Looking at the thread that so incensed Brittania, there are two posts from you - one containing the innuendo you deride, and the other stereotyping Northerners. Now, I'm not offended particularly by either, but if you wish to remain on your self-constructed pedestal, don't come down and mix it with us childish mortals - sanctimonious git.
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Remember everyone, free speech is only for the politically correct!
Which reminds me, why did PC come about in the first place? It was a psychological method for burying any evidence of religious, cultural or racial superiority in the thinking and behavior among a countries majority. PC is a very first world western trait. No single religion is to be superior. No single culture is to be superior. No single race is to be superior. And so multiculturalism was invented. And then no single sex was to be superior. And with nothing superior, there was nothing to value. This is the essence of Political Correctness. It then becomes impossible to unify citizens on the basis of a shared religion, culture or race. They become a large rabble, confused over beliefs and values, and can then be controlled accordingly.
Which reminds me, why did PC come about in the first place? It was a psychological method for burying any evidence of religious, cultural or racial superiority in the thinking and behavior among a countries majority. PC is a very first world western trait. No single religion is to be superior. No single culture is to be superior. No single race is to be superior. And so multiculturalism was invented. And then no single sex was to be superior. And with nothing superior, there was nothing to value. This is the essence of Political Correctness. It then becomes impossible to unify citizens on the basis of a shared religion, culture or race. They become a large rabble, confused over beliefs and values, and can then be controlled accordingly.
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The reason he's not back is he knows we'd all duff him up!!!
Actually he's probably quite smart - registered nearly 2 years ago and only 7 posts. That's the sort of back up name I'd like. I lost my old wind up name in the great e-mail changeover.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if B66 is still on this thread under another name (not you is it Helmut?)
The reason he's not back is he knows we'd all duff him up!!!
Actually he's probably quite smart - registered nearly 2 years ago and only 7 posts. That's the sort of back up name I'd like. I lost my old wind up name in the great e-mail changeover.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if B66 is still on this thread under another name (not you is it Helmut?)
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Whilst some have criticised my post on this thread, my response to the old Proteus-person appears to have been justified by further directly abusive comments posted herein.
We all like playful banter and we are probably more robust with the thrust, parry and riposte of crewroom comment than our civilian colleagues. Some of whom would view even the sort of inter-squadron rivalry that we routinely enjoy as being unacceptable harassment!
However, some of the personal abuse and barrack room language on this bulletin board gives outsiders a very poor impression of Military Aircrew; if you consider this to be a pompous and avuncular viewpoint - so be it. But I know many who have left PPRuNe due to not wishing to be associated with some of the gutter comments posted by the unwelcome minority.
And that's all I have to say about that.
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We all like playful banter and we are probably more robust with the thrust, parry and riposte of crewroom comment than our civilian colleagues. Some of whom would view even the sort of inter-squadron rivalry that we routinely enjoy as being unacceptable harassment!
However, some of the personal abuse and barrack room language on this bulletin board gives outsiders a very poor impression of Military Aircrew; if you consider this to be a pompous and avuncular viewpoint - so be it. But I know many who have left PPRuNe due to not wishing to be associated with some of the gutter comments posted by the unwelcome minority.
And that's all I have to say about that.
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Well said Beags, Some of us can tell the difference between banter and personal abuse and the inappropriate use of barrack room language, but regrettably some of our colleagues are unable to differentiate. Would they be so keen to descend to such levels if they didn't enjoy the anomymity of this forum?
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OH Please,
Rubic, does Beagle write your confidential or are you related?
I don't think we are facing a morality issue here, more of a perceptual one, personally I perceive most of the posts on here from the originators view. What point is he /she trying to get across? Not whether it would be an acceptable form of communication within an "officers mess". You cannot and will not turn this medium into a class system. Freedom of speech, whether it be eloquent or not, puerile or not or working class vernacular it is still freedom of speech and to blatantly take the high ground over, lets face it, a tiny number of (you consider to be) unacceptable posts is pure idealism and in your case sycophantic.
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Rubic, does Beagle write your confidential or are you related?
I don't think we are facing a morality issue here, more of a perceptual one, personally I perceive most of the posts on here from the originators view. What point is he /she trying to get across? Not whether it would be an acceptable form of communication within an "officers mess". You cannot and will not turn this medium into a class system. Freedom of speech, whether it be eloquent or not, puerile or not or working class vernacular it is still freedom of speech and to blatantly take the high ground over, lets face it, a tiny number of (you consider to be) unacceptable posts is pure idealism and in your case sycophantic.
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Hey, that's right NG!
Beagle and I see eye to eye about the shortage of good subjects for Mil Ppruners to get their teeth into. Threads are often er, um, banal?
But what we talk about and the way in which we talk about them must be thought about separately.
This place gives many people the opportunity to express their thoughts and present ideas who have not had the benefit of practice and coaching that the "horficcers" have had. More credit to them that they pitch in and have a go, and who really cares about gaffs, solecisms and untidy syntax.
Young 'uns are often likely to react too hastily, however, and we old 'uns should not fall into that trap too.
I personally care far less about grammar and modal auxiliaries than I care about pretentiousness. So let's not worry about how well people can write but try to balance the humourous banter with some thought stimulating subjects.
Beagle and I see eye to eye about the shortage of good subjects for Mil Ppruners to get their teeth into. Threads are often er, um, banal?
But what we talk about and the way in which we talk about them must be thought about separately.
This place gives many people the opportunity to express their thoughts and present ideas who have not had the benefit of practice and coaching that the "horficcers" have had. More credit to them that they pitch in and have a go, and who really cares about gaffs, solecisms and untidy syntax.
Young 'uns are often likely to react too hastily, however, and we old 'uns should not fall into that trap too.
I personally care far less about grammar and modal auxiliaries than I care about pretentiousness. So let's not worry about how well people can write but try to balance the humourous banter with some thought stimulating subjects.
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BEagle,
As an "outsider" who hangs around in here now and then, I like this forum. Most of us civvies are capable of telling the difference between banter and...whatever... really! And most women are capable of distinguishing between apparently sexist banter, which varies from being a lot of fun to mildly annoying; and genuine sexism, which in my experience often hides behind a whiter than white PC exterior. Having experienced the latter recently, and been kicked fairly thoroughly in the teeth by someone I'd thought was a friend, you really think I'm going to get upset by something like the "women" thread, which is genuinely funny?
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As an "outsider" who hangs around in here now and then, I like this forum. Most of us civvies are capable of telling the difference between banter and...whatever... really! And most women are capable of distinguishing between apparently sexist banter, which varies from being a lot of fun to mildly annoying; and genuine sexism, which in my experience often hides behind a whiter than white PC exterior. Having experienced the latter recently, and been kicked fairly thoroughly in the teeth by someone I'd thought was a friend, you really think I'm going to get upset by something like the "women" thread, which is genuinely funny?
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If it helps you, Brit 66, and if you still check this thread, I am an ethnic minoirty RAF aircrew mate, and I have no problems with the banter ('cos that's what it is) and I can tell you that in reality we are probably more squeaky clean on these types of matter than most.
I can also tell you that you need anything funny you can get yer hands on when the serious bit involves facing the enemy (who find it funny if they kill you), and that's just one more reason why (a) It's OK, and (b) we trust that when the $hit hits the fan, we'll work to save each others' lives whatever we look like.
A more cohesive and moral bunch of 'racist and sexist' people you will struggle to find.
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I can also tell you that you need anything funny you can get yer hands on when the serious bit involves facing the enemy (who find it funny if they kill you), and that's just one more reason why (a) It's OK, and (b) we trust that when the $hit hits the fan, we'll work to save each others' lives whatever we look like.
A more cohesive and moral bunch of 'racist and sexist' people you will struggle to find.
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I've tried to let this one pass by, but Beage's, I can't. If someone takes issue with something written in this forum, then surely it is for the offending poster to apologise for comments made in an offending post. I really don't want someone else apologising on my behalf for something I don't consider that I have done wrong. The comments that started this whole thread off were of a general nature. If the originator doesn't like what s/he reads, there is no obligation for that person to come back into this forum. Before you or anyone else apologises on my behalf, or on behalf of others, perhaps you should take an official poll and hold a majority view first.
While the views expressed in this forum may not be the most eloquent opinions ever expressed (and even at times full of typos, grammatical or spelling errors), they are valid non-the-less, even if you or I happen to disagree. As I am sure you will have visited that great place on Piccadilly at some point you will be aware that your club, like mine, was founded on the priciple that there should be a place where members of like minds can meet to air their views without the fear of moderation or political and social censure. With a new age comes a new medium, the internet rather than the gentleman's club as a place to meet and exchange views. If I want to wax lyrical, or just plain rant, then I should be able to without you apologising for me. If someone else doesn't like what I have to say, tough. Like me if they don't like what they hear they are free to leave, and if they take offence it is for me to apologise if I think an apology is needed.
Helmut, nice to see you back from Bum's **** Egypt
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While the views expressed in this forum may not be the most eloquent opinions ever expressed (and even at times full of typos, grammatical or spelling errors), they are valid non-the-less, even if you or I happen to disagree. As I am sure you will have visited that great place on Piccadilly at some point you will be aware that your club, like mine, was founded on the priciple that there should be a place where members of like minds can meet to air their views without the fear of moderation or political and social censure. With a new age comes a new medium, the internet rather than the gentleman's club as a place to meet and exchange views. If I want to wax lyrical, or just plain rant, then I should be able to without you apologising for me. If someone else doesn't like what I have to say, tough. Like me if they don't like what they hear they are free to leave, and if they take offence it is for me to apologise if I think an apology is needed.
Helmut, nice to see you back from Bum's **** Egypt
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