Oil, Money, and Military Might
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Oil, Money, and Military Might
Virginia Raines has put together a most revealing and complex report on
events directly associated with the goings on in the
Afghanistan/Usbekistan/Turkmenistan/Pakistan region....and, it is all
tied
directly to Oil and Gas and competition between Oil Companies, an
Argentinian company named Bridas and American/British/Russian Oil
interests...
It seems that some 4-6 years back, the Bridas Co. of Argentina had locks
on
Oil Pipeline construction to retrieve the oil and gas from massive,
secret
reserves of Oil and Gas discovered in the former Soviet nations to the
north
of Afghanistan...
This became a competition between some major Oil companies with their
associated banks and led to some peculiar goings on related to the
Politics
in that entire region and over the past 5 or so years, to the total
destabilization of the entire region...Now, it has even brought Pakistan
and
India to nuclear confrontation...It probably will happen>
Yet, consider what Virginia has found and compiled that bring us from the
mid 1990's to today..And not just in those eastern regions, but to
Argentina....
Lo and behold, as Argentina was so determined to be the one to help the
Taliban get the Oil from those northern neighbors to a port in Pakistan,
that when she ran up against the Oil Cabal of the Rothschilds and the
Rockefellers....working in tandem, this time, but using the power of the
U.S. Defense department to blow their way into success- then Argentina
the
Oil upstart, needed to be shown the ropes..
The Brits also contributed, sending 25,000 troops on a phony exercise in
the
middle east, one month before combat operations began by the U.S. in the
region.
Now, could there be a tie-in between the most recent events in Argentina
and
the losses that their Bridas Oil company caused to happen to Unocal and
other companies that had been working to also get that Oil in those
northern
regions?
Most probably....In fact, most likely....as the IMF is simply a tool of
the
Banksters that own these Oil Companies....Rockefellers having been given
back Standard Oil by the Clinton Justice Department and the Rothschilds,
still the main controllerss of both British Petroleum and Royal Dutch
Shell..The IMF was used to collapse the Argentine economy and teach these
oil upstarts a lesson...(A related story has to do with Jews being sent
out
of Argentina as well-probably tied into this as well.)
When all of this is put together, one can readily see an association
between
money around the world and Oil..
Now, one can understand what alternative fuels, alternative power
sources,
improved engine carburation, etc, never manage to reach first base in
development...And if they do, something happens so that they are "picked
off" while yet on first base...despite the success and potential of the
"new" discoveries and their overall value to the world.
All of this is very much as Dr. Emmanuel Josephson has documented
earlier,
in several books that outline the basis of Power in the world and its
tie-in
to Oil...His book, "Rockefeller-Internationalists" is well worth locating
from a rare book source, as is his book on the Federal Reserve System.
Now, I suggest that interested news people and concerned citizens, read
the
attchments that Virginia has compiled to really learn what and why we are
so
involved in that dire region that really has no real attraction for us
other
then satisfying the needs of international Banksters and their Oil
Associates.....JRN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virginia" <[email protected]>
To: "Virginia Raines" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 4:24 AM
Subject: A holiday
> [[Ah, my fellow Americans. Mine is not to question why, mine is but to
> ...
>
> search, search, and search again. I'm not the first word or the last
> word, but I do a fair job on the middling word. I got a tip the other
> day to investigate Argentine pipeline deals as the background to
today's
> crisis there. The originator of the tip had a different idea about
> which company was important, and why. What I remembered was the old W.
> tactics -- back when he was still the bumbling business failure
> son-of-a-politician-to-be-reckoned-with. I think my instincts were
> right.
>
> So, without trying to quote interminably from the following articles, I
> promise -- these are just some quick tidbits -- there is altogether
> quite a meal. Although it took me a number of hours to put together,
> anyone can take the material here and quickly follow up on his or her
> favored theory and make some good menus of the vultures. That would be
> delightful. The more the merrier. Jump on board the Afghan express.
> The trip started a long time ago.]]
>
>
> Argentina: Menem Under Arrest
> <a href="http://www.worldpress.org/regions/americas/0801argentina.htm" target="_blank">http://www.worldpress.org/regions/americas/0801argentina.htm</a>
>
> Don't Cry for Bush, Argentina
> <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MA00/argentina.html" target="_blank">http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MA00/argentina.html</a>
>
> Bush Friend Arrested for Illegal Arms Trafficking (June 7, 2001)
> <a href="http://www.thegully.com/essays/argentina/010607bush_menem.html" target="_blank">http://www.thegully.com/essays/argentina/010607bush_menem.html</a>
>
> 'You will always be my friend' Bush Sr sends Menem e-mail
>
<a href="http://www.buenosairesherald.com/1_argentina/2_argentina/0106/0106-16.ht" target="_blank">http://www.buenosairesherald.com/1_argentina/2_argentina/0106/0106-16.ht</a>
> m
>
> Arms Charge for former president
> <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/2001/07/06/FFX2K8XEROC.html" target="_blank">http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/2001/07/06/FFX2K8XEROC.html</a>
>
> Citibank Laundered Money
> <a href="http://www.americas.org/news/nir/20010304_citibank_laundered_money.asp" target="_blank">http://www.americas.org/news/nir/20010304_citibank_laundered_money.asp</a>
>
> Don't cry for me
> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,530456,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,530456,00.html</a>
>
> U.S. Admits Turning Blind Eye to Allied Arms Shipments [[English
> portion]]
> <a href="http://www.seprin.com/Armas-usa.htm" target="_blank">http://www.seprin.com/Armas-usa.htm</a>
>
> Mysterious Case of the Arms Smuggled to Croatia
> <a href="http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/09/01/13952.html" target="_blank">http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/09/01/13952.html</a>
>
> Is the Honeymoon over for Menem?
> <a href="http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/features/2001/0623/fea2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/features/2001/0623/fea2.htm</a>
>
> The Ruins Tony Blair Should Visit
> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,533647,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,533647,00.html</a>
>
> [[Only one small mention of the Enron Argentine deal, but great
> background here -- even if it's only a very small amount of all the
> dirt]]
> What Fertlized the Bushes?
> <a href="http://bushfiles.com/bushfiles/fertilize_bushes.html" target="_blank">http://bushfiles.com/bushfiles/fertilize_bushes.html</a>
>
> [[Not much more here, very short, but does mention that Kenneth Lay
> worked in the Pentagon for the Nixon administration.]]
> <a href="http://www.conspiracydigest.com/powerscam5.html" target="_blank">http://www.conspiracydigest.com/powerscam5.html</a>
>
> [[From an environmental org. Note that Enron was granted a
retroactive
> regulatory exemption back to 1974. And almost got exempted from fraud
> retroactively as well. This is where Wendy Gramm had come in handy.]]
> Enron: The Global Gospel of Gas
> <a href="http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/motherlode/enron.html" target="_blank">http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/motherlode/enron.html</a>
>
> Multinational Bankrupt Enron: an example of colonization, greed, fraud,
> corruption and greed
>
<a href="http://www.ftlcomm.com/ensign/desantisArticles/2001_400/desantis494/enro" target="_blank">http://www.ftlcomm.com/ensign/desantisArticles/2001_400/desantis494/enro</a>
> n.html
>
> Unocol, Bridas wooing Taliban for $4.5bn Pak gas pipeline
> <a href="http://www.expressindia.com/fe/daily/19970602/15355423.html" target="_blank">http://www.expressindia.com/fe/daily/19970602/15355423.html</a>
>
> Pipeline Dreams one of the factors which led to throwing Ms Benazir
> Bhutto out of power
> <a href="http://www.nowarcollective.com/pipeline.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nowarcollective.com/pipeline.htm</a>
>
> Global Data Communications
> ??? [[I did not find out anything as to how this company was involved
> in pipeline deals, as mentioned above.]]
>
> Amoco and Bridas Form New Energy Enterprise in South America; Amoco
> Bolivia Involved in Deal
> <a href="http://emb-eeuu.mrecic.gov.ar/news910.htm" target="_blank">http://emb-eeuu.mrecic.gov.ar/news910.htm</a>
> [[notice the Soros-related material - let's see, have any other
> countries that Soros got into had economic or other difficulties??
> duh!]]
>
> Argentina -- local beauty and foreign money
> <a href="http://csf.colorado.edu/debt/arg/highlights/" target="_blank">http://csf.colorado.edu/debt/arg/highlights/</a>
>
> [[And for real holiday-time bonus points, you will *not* be
disappointed
> to venture through this potpourri:]]
> DEC 22-25: A HOLIDAY BREAK IS IN ORDER (mediachannel.org)
> <a href="http://www.thefileroom.org/weblog/dannylog2.cfm?start=6" target="_blank">http://www.thefileroom.org/weblog/dannylog2.cfm?start=6</a>
>
> Happy New Year. And thanks -- you're troopers one and all. I am more
> encouraged now than ever before. More will be coming forth in the
> future.
>
> Blessings and love,
>
> Virginia
events directly associated with the goings on in the
Afghanistan/Usbekistan/Turkmenistan/Pakistan region....and, it is all
tied
directly to Oil and Gas and competition between Oil Companies, an
Argentinian company named Bridas and American/British/Russian Oil
interests...
It seems that some 4-6 years back, the Bridas Co. of Argentina had locks
on
Oil Pipeline construction to retrieve the oil and gas from massive,
secret
reserves of Oil and Gas discovered in the former Soviet nations to the
north
of Afghanistan...
This became a competition between some major Oil companies with their
associated banks and led to some peculiar goings on related to the
Politics
in that entire region and over the past 5 or so years, to the total
destabilization of the entire region...Now, it has even brought Pakistan
and
India to nuclear confrontation...It probably will happen>
Yet, consider what Virginia has found and compiled that bring us from the
mid 1990's to today..And not just in those eastern regions, but to
Argentina....
Lo and behold, as Argentina was so determined to be the one to help the
Taliban get the Oil from those northern neighbors to a port in Pakistan,
that when she ran up against the Oil Cabal of the Rothschilds and the
Rockefellers....working in tandem, this time, but using the power of the
U.S. Defense department to blow their way into success- then Argentina
the
Oil upstart, needed to be shown the ropes..
The Brits also contributed, sending 25,000 troops on a phony exercise in
the
middle east, one month before combat operations began by the U.S. in the
region.
Now, could there be a tie-in between the most recent events in Argentina
and
the losses that their Bridas Oil company caused to happen to Unocal and
other companies that had been working to also get that Oil in those
northern
regions?
Most probably....In fact, most likely....as the IMF is simply a tool of
the
Banksters that own these Oil Companies....Rockefellers having been given
back Standard Oil by the Clinton Justice Department and the Rothschilds,
still the main controllerss of both British Petroleum and Royal Dutch
Shell..The IMF was used to collapse the Argentine economy and teach these
oil upstarts a lesson...(A related story has to do with Jews being sent
out
of Argentina as well-probably tied into this as well.)
When all of this is put together, one can readily see an association
between
money around the world and Oil..
Now, one can understand what alternative fuels, alternative power
sources,
improved engine carburation, etc, never manage to reach first base in
development...And if they do, something happens so that they are "picked
off" while yet on first base...despite the success and potential of the
"new" discoveries and their overall value to the world.
All of this is very much as Dr. Emmanuel Josephson has documented
earlier,
in several books that outline the basis of Power in the world and its
tie-in
to Oil...His book, "Rockefeller-Internationalists" is well worth locating
from a rare book source, as is his book on the Federal Reserve System.
Now, I suggest that interested news people and concerned citizens, read
the
attchments that Virginia has compiled to really learn what and why we are
so
involved in that dire region that really has no real attraction for us
other
then satisfying the needs of international Banksters and their Oil
Associates.....JRN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virginia" <[email protected]>
To: "Virginia Raines" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 4:24 AM
Subject: A holiday
> [[Ah, my fellow Americans. Mine is not to question why, mine is but to
> ...
>
> search, search, and search again. I'm not the first word or the last
> word, but I do a fair job on the middling word. I got a tip the other
> day to investigate Argentine pipeline deals as the background to
today's
> crisis there. The originator of the tip had a different idea about
> which company was important, and why. What I remembered was the old W.
> tactics -- back when he was still the bumbling business failure
> son-of-a-politician-to-be-reckoned-with. I think my instincts were
> right.
>
> So, without trying to quote interminably from the following articles, I
> promise -- these are just some quick tidbits -- there is altogether
> quite a meal. Although it took me a number of hours to put together,
> anyone can take the material here and quickly follow up on his or her
> favored theory and make some good menus of the vultures. That would be
> delightful. The more the merrier. Jump on board the Afghan express.
> The trip started a long time ago.]]
>
>
> Argentina: Menem Under Arrest
> <a href="http://www.worldpress.org/regions/americas/0801argentina.htm" target="_blank">http://www.worldpress.org/regions/americas/0801argentina.htm</a>
>
> Don't Cry for Bush, Argentina
> <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MA00/argentina.html" target="_blank">http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MA00/argentina.html</a>
>
> Bush Friend Arrested for Illegal Arms Trafficking (June 7, 2001)
> <a href="http://www.thegully.com/essays/argentina/010607bush_menem.html" target="_blank">http://www.thegully.com/essays/argentina/010607bush_menem.html</a>
>
> 'You will always be my friend' Bush Sr sends Menem e-mail
>
<a href="http://www.buenosairesherald.com/1_argentina/2_argentina/0106/0106-16.ht" target="_blank">http://www.buenosairesherald.com/1_argentina/2_argentina/0106/0106-16.ht</a>
> m
>
> Arms Charge for former president
> <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/2001/07/06/FFX2K8XEROC.html" target="_blank">http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/2001/07/06/FFX2K8XEROC.html</a>
>
> Citibank Laundered Money
> <a href="http://www.americas.org/news/nir/20010304_citibank_laundered_money.asp" target="_blank">http://www.americas.org/news/nir/20010304_citibank_laundered_money.asp</a>
>
> Don't cry for me
> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,530456,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,530456,00.html</a>
>
> U.S. Admits Turning Blind Eye to Allied Arms Shipments [[English
> portion]]
> <a href="http://www.seprin.com/Armas-usa.htm" target="_blank">http://www.seprin.com/Armas-usa.htm</a>
>
> Mysterious Case of the Arms Smuggled to Croatia
> <a href="http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/09/01/13952.html" target="_blank">http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/09/01/13952.html</a>
>
> Is the Honeymoon over for Menem?
> <a href="http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/features/2001/0623/fea2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/features/2001/0623/fea2.htm</a>
>
> The Ruins Tony Blair Should Visit
> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,533647,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,533647,00.html</a>
>
> [[Only one small mention of the Enron Argentine deal, but great
> background here -- even if it's only a very small amount of all the
> dirt]]
> What Fertlized the Bushes?
> <a href="http://bushfiles.com/bushfiles/fertilize_bushes.html" target="_blank">http://bushfiles.com/bushfiles/fertilize_bushes.html</a>
>
> [[Not much more here, very short, but does mention that Kenneth Lay
> worked in the Pentagon for the Nixon administration.]]
> <a href="http://www.conspiracydigest.com/powerscam5.html" target="_blank">http://www.conspiracydigest.com/powerscam5.html</a>
>
> [[From an environmental org. Note that Enron was granted a
retroactive
> regulatory exemption back to 1974. And almost got exempted from fraud
> retroactively as well. This is where Wendy Gramm had come in handy.]]
> Enron: The Global Gospel of Gas
> <a href="http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/motherlode/enron.html" target="_blank">http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/motherlode/enron.html</a>
>
> Multinational Bankrupt Enron: an example of colonization, greed, fraud,
> corruption and greed
>
<a href="http://www.ftlcomm.com/ensign/desantisArticles/2001_400/desantis494/enro" target="_blank">http://www.ftlcomm.com/ensign/desantisArticles/2001_400/desantis494/enro</a>
> n.html
>
> Unocol, Bridas wooing Taliban for $4.5bn Pak gas pipeline
> <a href="http://www.expressindia.com/fe/daily/19970602/15355423.html" target="_blank">http://www.expressindia.com/fe/daily/19970602/15355423.html</a>
>
> Pipeline Dreams one of the factors which led to throwing Ms Benazir
> Bhutto out of power
> <a href="http://www.nowarcollective.com/pipeline.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nowarcollective.com/pipeline.htm</a>
>
> Global Data Communications
> ??? [[I did not find out anything as to how this company was involved
> in pipeline deals, as mentioned above.]]
>
> Amoco and Bridas Form New Energy Enterprise in South America; Amoco
> Bolivia Involved in Deal
> <a href="http://emb-eeuu.mrecic.gov.ar/news910.htm" target="_blank">http://emb-eeuu.mrecic.gov.ar/news910.htm</a>
> [[notice the Soros-related material - let's see, have any other
> countries that Soros got into had economic or other difficulties??
> duh!]]
>
> Argentina -- local beauty and foreign money
> <a href="http://csf.colorado.edu/debt/arg/highlights/" target="_blank">http://csf.colorado.edu/debt/arg/highlights/</a>
>
> [[And for real holiday-time bonus points, you will *not* be
disappointed
> to venture through this potpourri:]]
> DEC 22-25: A HOLIDAY BREAK IS IN ORDER (mediachannel.org)
> <a href="http://www.thefileroom.org/weblog/dannylog2.cfm?start=6" target="_blank">http://www.thefileroom.org/weblog/dannylog2.cfm?start=6</a>
>
> Happy New Year. And thanks -- you're troopers one and all. I am more
> encouraged now than ever before. More will be coming forth in the
> future.
>
> Blessings and love,
>
> Virginia
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I have been piecing together info gleaned from the internet on what smells of something wrong in the USA since 9-11.
This thread is but the nose of a very large camel.
It's not going to leap out at you, but if anyone is really concerned about the role of the USA and the UK in world affairs, it's a start for those with the time and curiousity to ferret out what is the reality of the current situation in Afgahnistan.
Follow the money trail, and it leads to The White House, and possibly your parliment.
Bush and Cheney are both heavily involved in BIG oil.
This thread is but the nose of a very large camel.
It's not going to leap out at you, but if anyone is really concerned about the role of the USA and the UK in world affairs, it's a start for those with the time and curiousity to ferret out what is the reality of the current situation in Afgahnistan.
Follow the money trail, and it leads to The White House, and possibly your parliment.
Bush and Cheney are both heavily involved in BIG oil.
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Good Lord, 10 yards of conspiracy theory and not a single mention of freemasons, knights templar, Bilderbergers, UFOs, black heli's or Men in Black.
Remember, though: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
Remember, though: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
Yes.. Yes... I see it all so clearly now!!!
Senor Esperto is so right. This theory backs up my belief that Kentucky Fried Chicken have been placing an addictive chemical in their chicken that makes you crave it fortnightly... and the letters K-F-C have hidden meaning, think about it:
"Killer Foreign Crusaders"
Oh my God, how deep does this go?????
<img src="eek.gif" border="0">
[ 03 January 2002: Message edited by: Booger ]</p>
Senor Esperto is so right. This theory backs up my belief that Kentucky Fried Chicken have been placing an addictive chemical in their chicken that makes you crave it fortnightly... and the letters K-F-C have hidden meaning, think about it:
"Killer Foreign Crusaders"
Oh my God, how deep does this go?????
<img src="eek.gif" border="0">
[ 03 January 2002: Message edited by: Booger ]</p>
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After 25 years government service, I know Mr Esperwhatsit must be wrong.
I live with incompetence evey day.
Global conspiracy requires;
Intellectual ability
good intel
politicians who can agree with each other and keep their mouths shut about it.
Sorry, I prefer the cockup theory to the conspiracy every time. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
I live with incompetence evey day.
Global conspiracy requires;
Intellectual ability
good intel
politicians who can agree with each other and keep their mouths shut about it.
Sorry, I prefer the cockup theory to the conspiracy every time. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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Not a single intelligent reply, just silly inuendo's. typical.
I like this better:
9/11 Conspiracy
In June, we announced a plan to remove the Taliban:
<a href="http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10∓ctg=policy" target="_blank">http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10∓ctg=policy</a>
Alleged hijackers trained by USA:
<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/629529.asp" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.com/news/629529.asp</a>
More Government Involvement:
<a href="http://www.copvcia.com/stories/nov_2001/lucy.html" target="_blank">http://www.copvcia.com/stories/nov_2001/lucy.html</a>
The insider trading profits made off the tragedy now may lead to an
investment house chaired by the #3 man at the CIA. Is this why it was
DROPPED by the media when they realized it wasn't Arab Terrorists who played
the stock. <a href="http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html" target="_blank">http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html</a>
Info confirmed by Independent Newspaper in UK: <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402" target="_blank">http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402</a>
· ABC News.com's May, 2001 story exposes recently released documents that
showed the US Joint Chiefs of Staff actually planned to foment domestic
terrorism to whip Americans into a pro-war frenzy. This was in the 60's but
it shows that the highest echelons of our govt. have actually considered
terrorizing their own people for political gain.
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html</a>
* The French Newspaper, Le Figaro reports the CIA met with Bin Laden in
Dubai, in July 2002, only 2 months before the
9-11 horror. A German translation of this report can be found at:
<a href="http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html</a>
More insider trading:
<a href="http://www.copvcia.com/stories/nov_2001/lucy.html" target="_blank">http://www.copvcia.com/stories/nov_2001/lucy.html</a>
FEMA in position on 10 Sept:
<a href="http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=14109" target="_blank">http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=14109</a>
<a href="http://www.halturnershow.com/FEMA.htm" target="_blank">http://www.halturnershow.com/FEMA.htm</a>
More Insider Trading:
<a href="http://www.halturnershow.com/CIAMoneyTrail9-11.htm" target="_blank">http://www.halturnershow.com/CIAMoneyTrail9-11.htm</a>
Reservists to the School of Urban Control:
<a href="http://www.almartinraw.com/column37.html" target="_blank">http://www.almartinraw.com/column37.html</a>
LONDON (September 17) - Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and the FBI that a cell of up to
200 terrorists was planning a major operation, according to a report in the Sunday Telegraph here yesterday.
The paper said the Israeli officials specifically warned their counterparts in Washington that "large-scale terrorist attacks on highly
visible targets on the American mainland were imminent."
And then there was this;
Odigo says workers were warned of attack
By Yuval Dror
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers
attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and
American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror
attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in
the FBI.
...Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
© Copyright Ha`aretz. All rights reserved
Bush took FBI Agents off bin Laden family
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I like this better:
9/11 Conspiracy
In June, we announced a plan to remove the Taliban:
<a href="http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10∓ctg=policy" target="_blank">http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10∓ctg=policy</a>
Alleged hijackers trained by USA:
<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/629529.asp" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.com/news/629529.asp</a>
More Government Involvement:
<a href="http://www.copvcia.com/stories/nov_2001/lucy.html" target="_blank">http://www.copvcia.com/stories/nov_2001/lucy.html</a>
The insider trading profits made off the tragedy now may lead to an
investment house chaired by the #3 man at the CIA. Is this why it was
DROPPED by the media when they realized it wasn't Arab Terrorists who played
the stock. <a href="http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html" target="_blank">http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html</a>
Info confirmed by Independent Newspaper in UK: <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402" target="_blank">http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402</a>
· ABC News.com's May, 2001 story exposes recently released documents that
showed the US Joint Chiefs of Staff actually planned to foment domestic
terrorism to whip Americans into a pro-war frenzy. This was in the 60's but
it shows that the highest echelons of our govt. have actually considered
terrorizing their own people for political gain.
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html</a>
* The French Newspaper, Le Figaro reports the CIA met with Bin Laden in
Dubai, in July 2002, only 2 months before the
9-11 horror. A German translation of this report can be found at:
<a href="http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html</a>
More insider trading:
<a href="http://www.copvcia.com/stories/nov_2001/lucy.html" target="_blank">http://www.copvcia.com/stories/nov_2001/lucy.html</a>
FEMA in position on 10 Sept:
<a href="http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=14109" target="_blank">http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=14109</a>
<a href="http://www.halturnershow.com/FEMA.htm" target="_blank">http://www.halturnershow.com/FEMA.htm</a>
More Insider Trading:
<a href="http://www.halturnershow.com/CIAMoneyTrail9-11.htm" target="_blank">http://www.halturnershow.com/CIAMoneyTrail9-11.htm</a>
Reservists to the School of Urban Control:
<a href="http://www.almartinraw.com/column37.html" target="_blank">http://www.almartinraw.com/column37.html</a>
LONDON (September 17) - Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and the FBI that a cell of up to
200 terrorists was planning a major operation, according to a report in the Sunday Telegraph here yesterday.
The paper said the Israeli officials specifically warned their counterparts in Washington that "large-scale terrorist attacks on highly
visible targets on the American mainland were imminent."
And then there was this;
Odigo says workers were warned of attack
By Yuval Dror
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers
attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and
American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror
attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in
the FBI.
...Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
© Copyright Ha`aretz. All rights reserved
Bush took FBI Agents off bin Laden family
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Oh Christ, well it was bound to happen eventually. While your checking on conspiracy theories, why not examine the one, that 9/11 was actually a revenge attack, For George Snr "dicking" Old Man Bin _laden out of a large contract? I believe that one's been trotted out too.
Face facts, Osamam doesn't like the US, and he just acted. So now unfortunately, we're all sitting here, wondering who we are going to have to slap next.
Tony
Face facts, Osamam doesn't like the US, and he just acted. So now unfortunately, we're all sitting here, wondering who we are going to have to slap next.
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VIRUS alert. Warning, a new virus has just been discovered by sofware manufacturers. Dubbed the Esperto Virus, it manifests itself by producing reams of pointless bulls***. Be very careful, any attempt to irradicate will result in an exponential increase in messages.
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You have missed out a vital connection which blows your whole argument out of the water. You have made NO mention of Nostradamus.
Fatal flaw, sorry.
Mike W
You have missed out a vital connection which blows your whole argument out of the water. You have made NO mention of Nostradamus.
Fatal flaw, sorry.
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Hate to spoil your party by pointing this out Esperto, but the fact that lockhhed were well ahead of the game in the JSF contract, Versus boeing. The fact that some CIA wiseguy bought shares in Lockheed and sold short in Boeing just prior to Sept. 11th proves jack all. I did the same, im sure it would have raised one or two eyebrows after Sept 11th.
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I opened the same thread on a few USA Forums.
No snotty, disparaging remarks, but deep interest, and concern.
Read for yourselves:
<a href="http://www.newsmax.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/002030.html" target="_blank">http://www.newsmax.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/002030.html</a>
Since you're curious, here's some more. Since the Observer thinks I'm a subversive already, I won't
bother to comment.
"U.S. GOVERNMENT PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF EMERGENCY"
AMERICA'S REICHSTAG FIRE
The most massive so-called "terrorist" attacks on U.S. soil since the Oklahoma City bombings of 1995,
were known, a week ahead of time, by the American CIA. Among the foreign intelligence agencies who
penetrated the plots were the French CIA and Israel's The Mossad, units of both often working with one
another.
Foreign intelligence sources confirm the validity of this story. And they state that they informed the
U.S. secret police who absolutely failed, neglected, and outright refused to take action as to known
prior specifics of which the top-level of the CIA were informed in advance.
Continue here
The strange case of Zacarias Moussaoui: FBI refused to investigate man charged in
September 11 attacks
By Patrick Martin
5 January 2002
The case of Zacarias Moussaoui raises many questions about the conduct of the FBI and other US
intelligence agencies in the period leading up the September 11. It is the clearest example of the
almost inexplicable refusal on the part of these agencies to take any action that could have prevented
the bloodiest terrorist attack in American history.
Continue here
.
No snotty, disparaging remarks, but deep interest, and concern.
Read for yourselves:
<a href="http://www.newsmax.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/002030.html" target="_blank">http://www.newsmax.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/002030.html</a>
Since you're curious, here's some more. Since the Observer thinks I'm a subversive already, I won't
bother to comment.
"U.S. GOVERNMENT PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF EMERGENCY"
AMERICA'S REICHSTAG FIRE
The most massive so-called "terrorist" attacks on U.S. soil since the Oklahoma City bombings of 1995,
were known, a week ahead of time, by the American CIA. Among the foreign intelligence agencies who
penetrated the plots were the French CIA and Israel's The Mossad, units of both often working with one
another.
Foreign intelligence sources confirm the validity of this story. And they state that they informed the
U.S. secret police who absolutely failed, neglected, and outright refused to take action as to known
prior specifics of which the top-level of the CIA were informed in advance.
Continue here
The strange case of Zacarias Moussaoui: FBI refused to investigate man charged in
September 11 attacks
By Patrick Martin
5 January 2002
The case of Zacarias Moussaoui raises many questions about the conduct of the FBI and other US
intelligence agencies in the period leading up the September 11. It is the clearest example of the
almost inexplicable refusal on the part of these agencies to take any action that could have prevented
the bloodiest terrorist attack in American history.
Continue here
.
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Whilst a perfunctory read of the various 'sources' give a prima facia case of conspiracy, linking numerous disparate threads into a coherent case requires a great deal more.
The veracity of source, intent to mislead, un-connected events linked by hindsight and lack of real detailed knowledge in the public domain about the Al Qa'ida group means that the analysis is so suspect as to be almost ridiculous. Two simple examples:
'Pre-positioning of UK troops in Oman by mid July.'
Saif Sareea had been planned for 2 years (believe it or not!) and the full exercise strength was not achieved until late September.
'17000 US and 23000 NATO troops pre-positioned in Egypt for Ex Bright Star in July.'
Again, Bright Star is an annual exercise, there'll be another one next year.
Trying to tie together non-related facts to make a conspiracy theory needs more than the occasional reporter saying that the CIA knew. On that basis the aliens have been here and are amongst us now, and Adolf Hitler is alive and well and living in Skegness.
Try this for a theory:
Osama Bin Laden, a religious zealot, was hired and then let down by the CIA during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. He became increasingly angry towards his former employers when they protected the Kingdom that had thrown him (Saudi Arabia) out by removing Iraq from Kuwait. His religious bigotry then viewed the 'infidels' continued presence in the land of the two Holy Mosques with increasing rage. Following a number of attacks, each increasing in intensity, he realises that the US (and the West in general) cannot/will not really retaliate to any great effect and decides to attack the US mainland in a 'spectacular' manner. At his instigation, his followers crash 4 passenger aircraft into the WTC, Pentagon and open farmland causing the deaths of more than 5000 people. The US and the West decide to act and attacked the vipers nest where it resided.
Conspiracy? Yes, I'd say that was quite a trail to follow. Stop reproducing such gibberish and use your own mind to think why the US/UK/EU/NATO/Russia/ASEAN/ALL Muslim countries (Iran included) have backed this campaign - and no, it is not oil.
The veracity of source, intent to mislead, un-connected events linked by hindsight and lack of real detailed knowledge in the public domain about the Al Qa'ida group means that the analysis is so suspect as to be almost ridiculous. Two simple examples:
'Pre-positioning of UK troops in Oman by mid July.'
Saif Sareea had been planned for 2 years (believe it or not!) and the full exercise strength was not achieved until late September.
'17000 US and 23000 NATO troops pre-positioned in Egypt for Ex Bright Star in July.'
Again, Bright Star is an annual exercise, there'll be another one next year.
Trying to tie together non-related facts to make a conspiracy theory needs more than the occasional reporter saying that the CIA knew. On that basis the aliens have been here and are amongst us now, and Adolf Hitler is alive and well and living in Skegness.
Try this for a theory:
Osama Bin Laden, a religious zealot, was hired and then let down by the CIA during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. He became increasingly angry towards his former employers when they protected the Kingdom that had thrown him (Saudi Arabia) out by removing Iraq from Kuwait. His religious bigotry then viewed the 'infidels' continued presence in the land of the two Holy Mosques with increasing rage. Following a number of attacks, each increasing in intensity, he realises that the US (and the West in general) cannot/will not really retaliate to any great effect and decides to attack the US mainland in a 'spectacular' manner. At his instigation, his followers crash 4 passenger aircraft into the WTC, Pentagon and open farmland causing the deaths of more than 5000 people. The US and the West decide to act and attacked the vipers nest where it resided.
Conspiracy? Yes, I'd say that was quite a trail to follow. Stop reproducing such gibberish and use your own mind to think why the US/UK/EU/NATO/Russia/ASEAN/ALL Muslim countries (Iran included) have backed this campaign - and no, it is not oil.
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In Tor Wot , spot-on! Conspiracy theorists have emerged in every decade that I have been around. Before the Internet, they produced magazines which sometimes achieved cult status, and even a few bob for their publishers, perish the thought!
Somewhere in the plethora of posts and links provided by I. M. Esperto dwell a few truths which, in time, will prove to be nailed down to nothing more than Sven Sixtoo's astute observation. It is a sad fact of life that most government "agencies" in the Free World (and the USA) have been operating as ever-increasingly constipated bureaucracies. They are loaded with "corporate" chiefs unable to make a decision for fear of offending their paymasters or the PC lobby.
As there has been so much publicity about the forewarnings from Mossad, etc, without public denial, there is a real probablility that a cock-up on the lines of Sven's theory will come to light after the final analysis. After all, they are still trying to blame one of the most unforgivable acts of military incompetence and negligence in modern history, Pearl Harbour, on a Presidential conspiracy to force the USA into WW2! A similarity may not be out of order with the WTC tragedy.
The real truth is that the system is only wonderful when portrayed in Hollywood movies. The real guys and gals on the line go out and pick up the pieces left behind by the incompetents.
Whatever Esperto's favoured authors, such as Ms Raines, are on, I would venture that it can only be obtained legally by doctor's prescription. Mind you, it also provides a pretty income when published in the media ---- nice work if you can get it!
Somewhere in the plethora of posts and links provided by I. M. Esperto dwell a few truths which, in time, will prove to be nailed down to nothing more than Sven Sixtoo's astute observation. It is a sad fact of life that most government "agencies" in the Free World (and the USA) have been operating as ever-increasingly constipated bureaucracies. They are loaded with "corporate" chiefs unable to make a decision for fear of offending their paymasters or the PC lobby.
As there has been so much publicity about the forewarnings from Mossad, etc, without public denial, there is a real probablility that a cock-up on the lines of Sven's theory will come to light after the final analysis. After all, they are still trying to blame one of the most unforgivable acts of military incompetence and negligence in modern history, Pearl Harbour, on a Presidential conspiracy to force the USA into WW2! A similarity may not be out of order with the WTC tragedy.
The real truth is that the system is only wonderful when portrayed in Hollywood movies. The real guys and gals on the line go out and pick up the pieces left behind by the incompetents.
Whatever Esperto's favoured authors, such as Ms Raines, are on, I would venture that it can only be obtained legally by doctor's prescription. Mind you, it also provides a pretty income when published in the media ---- nice work if you can get it!