Military Aircraft Based at Civilian Airports.
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Prestwick is both a military base and a civi base.
HMS Ganet is based there and the mili ATC service is there also, we also a large amount of US and Canadian air force aircraft passing by. In fact last time I was there we had a visit from an RAF VC-10 and a few hawks.
HMS Ganet is based there and the mili ATC service is there also, we also a large amount of US and Canadian air force aircraft passing by. In fact last time I was there we had a visit from an RAF VC-10 and a few hawks.
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Fair comment. Trouble is we dont know who "they" are. They are certainly not signatories to the Geneva Convention, dont appear in uniform, declared war on us, so how do you deal with it? Stand and wait to get picked off or move around and get blown to smithereens by an IED? My personal opinion (wrong maybe) is they must be played at their own game.
I do appreciate what the Brits are are trying to do by fighting the scum in Afghanistan and elsewhere but you are getting precious little help from your so called fellow Europeans, not to mention kit. If they are not beaten there of course, we will be fighting them on our own doorsteps quite soon.
Fair comment. Trouble is we dont know who "they" are. They are certainly not signatories to the Geneva Convention, dont appear in uniform, declared war on us, so how do you deal with it? Stand and wait to get picked off or move around and get blown to smithereens by an IED? My personal opinion (wrong maybe) is they must be played at their own game.
I do appreciate what the Brits are are trying to do by fighting the scum in Afghanistan and elsewhere but you are getting precious little help from your so called fellow Europeans, not to mention kit. If they are not beaten there of course, we will be fighting them on our own doorsteps quite soon.
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I do appreciate what the Brits are are trying to do by fighting the scum in Afghanistan and elsewhere but you are getting precious little help from your so called fellow Europeans, not to mention kit. If they are not beaten there of course, we will be fighting them on our own doorsteps quite soon.
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What's the point here?
Ottawa - mil and civilian.
Winnipeg - mil & civilian.
Half the airports in the States have a Guard ramp.
Northolt - mil & civilian.
Bahrain - ditto.
Muscat - ditto.
Every Italian airfield used for the Balkan AAR dets in the nineties..
etc etc etc
Or do you just count fast pointy things as mil aircraft?
Confused....
Ottawa - mil and civilian.
Winnipeg - mil & civilian.
Half the airports in the States have a Guard ramp.
Northolt - mil & civilian.
Bahrain - ditto.
Muscat - ditto.
Every Italian airfield used for the Balkan AAR dets in the nineties..
etc etc etc
Or do you just count fast pointy things as mil aircraft?
Confused....
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another perspective...
Slightly off topic but what about civvies flying off on holiday, in and out of civvy airfields in military aircraft?
At a recent hasty brief on the future tanker, the airframe sharing options (chartering) were outlined. Notwithstanding that the aircraft will be civil registered, I didn't get chance to ask the guy if all the new aircraft would be in the military colour scheme or if some would be kept civil looking.
If the former is the case, could we be taking the bucket and spade brigade off on hols on RAF Airways?
Just a thought.
SID
At a recent hasty brief on the future tanker, the airframe sharing options (chartering) were outlined. Notwithstanding that the aircraft will be civil registered, I didn't get chance to ask the guy if all the new aircraft would be in the military colour scheme or if some would be kept civil looking.
If the former is the case, could we be taking the bucket and spade brigade off on hols on RAF Airways?
Just a thought.
SID
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I may be having a senior moment, but thinking back to those Law of War lectures (Cranwell, late 70s), isn't there a prohibition on using civilian, or "civilian-like" (can't remember the exact legal phrase) aircraft in a military role?
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Almost certainly refers to paint schemes, as all the USAF tankers are based on civilian aircraft (KC-135 = B707; KC-10 = DC-10), as well as many other aircraft... not to mention all the European tankers (various Airbus/converted B707s, Lockheed L-1011 Tristar, etc).
Then there are all the troop/cargo transports... the Soviets/Russians had lots of civilian scheduled passenger service aircraft in Aeroflot colors that were versions of the various Illyushin/Antonov military transports, and all the civilian operators of Lockheed L-100s (C-130).
The US "civilian reserve fleet" of passenger planes (the US government had provided subsidies for airline purchases of aircraft with a contracted obligation to provide a certain number of aircraft for US military use in time of war). And all the commercial airliner designs that are serving as full-time military transports (C-9 Skytrain II/DC-9, VC-10, etc).
All of these can only be determined (except at close inspection) to be military or civilian by their paint schemes.
Then there are all the troop/cargo transports... the Soviets/Russians had lots of civilian scheduled passenger service aircraft in Aeroflot colors that were versions of the various Illyushin/Antonov military transports, and all the civilian operators of Lockheed L-100s (C-130).
The US "civilian reserve fleet" of passenger planes (the US government had provided subsidies for airline purchases of aircraft with a contracted obligation to provide a certain number of aircraft for US military use in time of war). And all the commercial airliner designs that are serving as full-time military transports (C-9 Skytrain II/DC-9, VC-10, etc).
All of these can only be determined (except at close inspection) to be military or civilian by their paint schemes.
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Was the Irish terrorism on mainland Britain stopped by the presence of the British Army in the Province?
Come to think of it, waiting in the OM bar one day waiting for a flight c/o, the windows were rattled when the baddies blew up the cargo terminal. Cuts both ways then!
