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Orac. .E-3D Fighter Controllers (officers/sncos) are not included within the aircrew retention package. At the end of the day, it is afterall a package to retain full-time "career" and "professional" (take your pick of the new categories)aircrew.Harsh but fair?
Ah well, as I'm already 8 years past my 38/16 point I'll have to console myself with the increase in LSSA that'll I'll be due when I go on the 'luxury desert holiday behind a desk' that I've just been given 3 days notice of!!!!
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How do these staged payments work?. .Is it . .4-5 yrs - 30 k. .3-4 yrs - 22 k. .2-3 yrs etc etc
so only somone in their last 12 monts before 38/16 will get 0
so only somone in their last 12 monts before 38/16 will get 0
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Can I offer what I believe is constructive criticism, its ballocks. Glossy garbage that will take the administrators years to fathom.
Firstly try to work out if you really qualify and then if you do remember everything is staged(5 Years)and it's taxed, work it out after tax, on a daily basis and see what you truly are worth! and for a Tri-Service review it's not very Tri-Service, is it?
Pay rise is not so bad though.
Firstly try to work out if you really qualify and then if you do remember everything is staged(5 Years)and it's taxed, work it out after tax, on a daily basis and see what you truly are worth! and for a Tri-Service review it's not very Tri-Service, is it?
Pay rise is not so bad though.
Champagne anyone...?
38/16 points of:
Apr 07 - Mar 08 = £30K. .Apr 06 - Mar 07 = £22K. .Apr 05 - Mar 06 = £14K. .Apr 04 - Mar 05 = £5K. .Apr 03 - Mar 04 = £0K
If you have PVR'd already and are lured back by this <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> then they are accepting recindments <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
My apologies to anyone if these dates are wrong - I checked them on the RAF powerpoint brief thingy just before I left the office so am fairly sure they're correct.
Apr 07 - Mar 08 = £30K. .Apr 06 - Mar 07 = £22K. .Apr 05 - Mar 06 = £14K. .Apr 04 - Mar 05 = £5K. .Apr 03 - Mar 04 = £0K
If you have PVR'd already and are lured back by this <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> then they are accepting recindments <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
My apologies to anyone if these dates are wrong - I checked them on the RAF powerpoint brief thingy just before I left the office so am fairly sure they're correct.
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Sorry - must have seemed obscure if you weren't at one of the briefs. With effect from 1 Apr 03, single list aircrew will be referred to as "Career Aircrew", and get basic pay + flying pay. Spec Aircrew will become known as "Professional Aircrew" and will get an enhanced pay but no flying pay (effectively making what was their flying pay pensionable).Hope that makes sense - we're all letting it sink in.
Anyone:
Have seen the AFPRB Report 2002 on the MOD site - has anyone seen official details of the entire aircrew retention package on the web? If so, request a link.
Sorry - must have seemed obscure if you weren't at one of the briefs. With effect from 1 Apr 03, single list aircrew will be referred to as "Career Aircrew", and get basic pay + flying pay. Spec Aircrew will become known as "Professional Aircrew" and will get an enhanced pay but no flying pay (effectively making what was their flying pay pensionable).Hope that makes sense - we're all letting it sink in.
Anyone:
Have seen the AFPRB Report 2002 on the MOD site - has anyone seen official details of the entire aircrew retention package on the web? If so, request a link.
Champagne anyone...?
Remember that the above lump sums are in effect being paid for you do the contract you signed up to in the first place. This time yesterday I was planning to stay in until 16/38. Today my plans haven't changed but I've been offered a wad of cash just to make sure.
Additionally, Spec Aircrew is changing to "PA" which I think stands for "Professional Aircrew". They will lose the additional pay of flying pay but their basic pay will then be bumped up to the original level which has implications in terms of increased pensions etc. . .I also got the impression that it was moving more towards the way the FAA do business in terms either of being an aviator full stop of taking the career path to senior rank glory. I'm not sure if the signing terms for Spec Aircrew, or PA, have changed but, frankly, if it gets me out of crap courses and secondary duties then I'll sign up tomorrow.
Additionally, Spec Aircrew is changing to "PA" which I think stands for "Professional Aircrew". They will lose the additional pay of flying pay but their basic pay will then be bumped up to the original level which has implications in terms of increased pensions etc. . .I also got the impression that it was moving more towards the way the FAA do business in terms either of being an aviator full stop of taking the career path to senior rank glory. I'm not sure if the signing terms for Spec Aircrew, or PA, have changed but, frankly, if it gets me out of crap courses and secondary duties then I'll sign up tomorrow.
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Boz tour,
My understanding is that you AAC NCO types are the only non zob fellas to get anything out of this. I can't remember the exact figures but I think it is on a par with the O's.
It's your round and don't forget to bat for us too.
My understanding is that you AAC NCO types are the only non zob fellas to get anything out of this. I can't remember the exact figures but I think it is on a par with the O's.
It's your round and don't forget to bat for us too.
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Agree Pilgrim,
Read the small print....carefully
There will not be many who actually qualify for the 80K over the 10 year spread.
Do not spend it too quickly! If your life / personal situation changes during the period and you have to go..it has to go back in 1 lump sum!!
AND it will be reviewed annually...like all investments, they can go DOWN!
Leave and return..can't claim same FRI! You have to wait for IPP for FRI2!!
If it took months to sort out FRI 1 & 2 last year...this one will require buckets of overtime by the Blunties!!
Read the small print....carefully
There will not be many who actually qualify for the 80K over the 10 year spread.
Do not spend it too quickly! If your life / personal situation changes during the period and you have to go..it has to go back in 1 lump sum!!
AND it will be reviewed annually...like all investments, they can go DOWN!
Leave and return..can't claim same FRI! You have to wait for IPP for FRI2!!
If it took months to sort out FRI 1 & 2 last year...this one will require buckets of overtime by the Blunties!!
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Bosnia,
Full briefing for all 3 services to-day..30 page briefing doc to boot!
Providing you meet your single service criteria (it appears AAC SNCO Pilots do!) it works out at 60K over a ten year ROS spread. Officers 80K for same ROS period.
Quids in for those that qual and wish to stay the distance. Oh and AFPRB.. Flying Pay up 3.7 percent across all rates from 01 Apr.
Good luck!
Full briefing for all 3 services to-day..30 page briefing doc to boot!
Providing you meet your single service criteria (it appears AAC SNCO Pilots do!) it works out at 60K over a ten year ROS spread. Officers 80K for same ROS period.
Quids in for those that qual and wish to stay the distance. Oh and AFPRB.. Flying Pay up 3.7 percent across all rates from 01 Apr.
Good luck!
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Fleet Air Arm aviators will never rise up to high rank within the Navy unless they hold a Bridge Watchkeeping ticket which many are reluctant to do. . .Its funny really, all the amounts are the same, just termed a little different. Your 38/16 point is our (and yours presumably) IPP - Initial Pension Point, however it is really a 37/16 point as you have had to have served 16 years from age 21, therefore the earliest you can get it is on your 37th birthday, only if you joined age 20 and 354 days or under. Confused ?? You bet!. .We have been briefed on the change of career path as well. Stay as you are with a chance of promotion to semi high rank, keeping flying pay, or apply for Spec Aircrew (called something else but essentially the same), have promotion curtailed but get more basic pay with flying pay subsumed and hence now pensionable. Tricky choice methinks, as the RN Spec Aircrew will be at the beck and call to fill any gash appointment, especially as some of these will invariably be at Sea (which is to be avoided at all cost!!). Anyway we'll see .......... .Didnt see any mention of our aircrewmen, hopefully this will come out in a few months.
Just the rambling thoughts of a happier Naval Aviator.
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Just the rambling thoughts of a happier Naval Aviator.
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Guys,. . Not being able to attend any briefings(and aslo being totally selfish), would a SNCO Army aircraft commander with only 4 years left untill 22, quilify for anything other than pity?
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Hmmmmmm. .Just over two years to do until the great LV.
Cant'join the new PA so will stay Spec Aircrew as a two and a half.(not Spec AC Flg Pay!)
My [heavily taxed] flying pay is not pensionable.
A chap retiring two years after me will gain up to £8000 a year more pension.
His last few years in the RAF will gain about £3000 PA more.
....I suppose one has to be proud to be so undervalued (until 2006 that is !)
Cheers......
Cant'join the new PA so will stay Spec Aircrew as a two and a half.(not Spec AC Flg Pay!)
My [heavily taxed] flying pay is not pensionable.
A chap retiring two years after me will gain up to £8000 a year more pension.
His last few years in the RAF will gain about £3000 PA more.
....I suppose one has to be proud to be so undervalued (until 2006 that is !)
Cheers......
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Trying to work out what motivation there is for someone to accept Wg Cdr rank.
Wg Cdr: Little flying (if any), lots of stress, no stability for the family, lose your flying pay if you cannot get back to the front line (ie. you don't get a sqn, and how many do?)and if you do not make Gp Capt (probable if you don't get a sqn) then obviously you retire with a Wg Cdr pension. Oh yes, and you cannot transfer to PA.
Sqn Ldr: Go PA, lots of flying, lots of family stability, lots of fun, more money (in time) than a no-flying-pay Wg Cdr and guaranteed a Gp Capt pension.
We are asking people to gamble their families future financial security on the chance that they will get a sqn cdr tour and progress upwards. . .Why are we treating our career officers this way?
Wg Cdr: Little flying (if any), lots of stress, no stability for the family, lose your flying pay if you cannot get back to the front line (ie. you don't get a sqn, and how many do?)and if you do not make Gp Capt (probable if you don't get a sqn) then obviously you retire with a Wg Cdr pension. Oh yes, and you cannot transfer to PA.
Sqn Ldr: Go PA, lots of flying, lots of family stability, lots of fun, more money (in time) than a no-flying-pay Wg Cdr and guaranteed a Gp Capt pension.
We are asking people to gamble their families future financial security on the chance that they will get a sqn cdr tour and progress upwards. . .Why are we treating our career officers this way?