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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 06:14
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In many areas there are aviation research groups and it might be that you would find one in that area.

You could also place an advertisement in a local paper seeking help in locating the correct site.

On the other hand, you might feel that a memorial in a remote location would quickly become neglected or overgrown. An option might be to place your tribute in a church or in the wall of a local cemetery, especially if there are war graves there.

There is a memorial to an Ecuadorian pilot who was also flying from Lossiemouth on a Jaguar conversion when he was killed and you could contact those who placed it.

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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 10:27
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Old Duffer, I may be wrong so apologies if so, but I visited the Ecuadorian Pilots memorial a few years ago, and had to visit the Buccleuch Estates office to get directions to it. I think the memorial was something the Estate did itself. The Stock Hill site is nowhere near the Bowhill site. I recall once looking into the possibility of visiting this site, but it is fairly remote. In the days after it happened, I recall being on the A7 going through Teviothead and seeing the yellow Sea King away in the distance in what was a heavily forested area.
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D-G,

I did not wish to suggest that the memorial to the Ecuadorian pilot was adjacent to where Capt Buteau crashed. Rather, I was suggesting that those wishing to erect a memorial to Buteau might find the experience of those who erected the memorial to Lt Cesar Raul Aguille, who died near Selkirk on 1 Nov 78, would be helpful.

My apologies if my post was misunderstood.

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O-D no problem. Writing stuff on the internet can sometimes be read in different ways. I think the Bowhill crash memorial was something Buccleuch Estates did themselves, so if manta was looking for help, that might be a place to look to. The guy I spoke to was really helpful.


Dug out the O.S. map and had a look, and tied it in with Bing maps. Stock Hill itself is a strip of land surrounded by forest, but bing maps shows a lot of harvesting has been done in there, with the attendant forest tracks. If there are no locked barriers across these, then it may be possible to drive up pretty close. Also noticed it may be possible to get in there from the Craikhope Outdoor Centre area. I do know there are barriers that are often locked on that route though.


Manta, when I visited the Bowhill site, you would be surprised to find there had been a crash there. It was all grown over, and apart from looking a little different from the immediate area, it was pretty natural looking. I can only imagine the same would be true on Stock Hill.


I might try and visit the site in better weather, but if you have any luck locating the site Manta, let me know. I notice you live in Hawick also.
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I remember shortly after we sadly lost Dave Buteau that there was some confusion on the ground as to where the crash site actually was. The confusion I recall was because he was off his planned route, its thought avoiding weather. It is in a very remote location if I remember correctly.
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I wonder if they can help
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Been up the Craik numerous times, and there is a memorial there for the Halifax crew. It's in the picnic area near the pond and stream.
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Jag Checklist QRH

Way back when I recall someone showing me a Jag FRC after what seemed a daft accident when a young feller had a fuel leak on one side giving a low pressure light and engine rundown on that side.
The QRH advised opening the cross feed cock which he did with the predictable results. It took me about five minutes to read the checklist by which time he was out of fuel.
I think the subsequent Martin Baker letdown was a success. He seemed to have been the victim of a badly written process, no doubt they took this into account at the subsequent interview, maybe
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Just seen your 2010 post. The II AC Sqn crash you cited in 94 was Flt Lt A Byford and Fg Off TE Owen and Fg Off I Knott and Flt Lt (S/L?) S MacLeod no future CAS involved.
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I'm sure I watched a Jaguar do a wheels up landing at Honington in the 80's.
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I'm sure I watched a Jaguar do a wheels up landing at Honington in the 80's.
i witnessed a jag wheels up at Laarbruch late 70s, It was a twin seater. Also saw a victor burst into flames on the main runway at Marham, a Hurricane at Wittering and also one of our GR5 Harriers at Wittering (engine failure on take off) luckily everyone survived.
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I'm sure I watched a Jaguar do a wheels up landing at Honington in the 80's
A Coltishall Jaguar landed successfully at Honington in the mid 80s with the noseleg retracted.
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Originally Posted by brainofdeci
Just seen your 2010 post. The II AC Sqn crash you cited in 94 was Flt Lt A Byford and Fg Off TE Owen and Fg Off I Knott and Flt Lt (S/L?) S MacLeod no future CAS involved.
The ‘94 crash you have referenced involved Tornado aircraft, not Jaguar. I think you’ve confused two separate incidents (with over 10 years between them).
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The wheels up at Laarbruch has an amusing footnote to it. The guy in the back was the squadron S Eng O. The sort of famous guy in front punched out leaving the back seater to make his own arrangements which he did. When he was dined out at the end of his tour, he was presented with a Flying Logbook. It had the details of the aircraft etc and in the columns dealing with day, night, duty etc it has written: "Captain and 1st pilot - 10 seconds".

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Originally Posted by brainofdeci
Just seen your 2010 post. The II AC Sqn crash you cited in 94 was Flt Lt A Byford and Fg Off TE Owen and Fg Off I Knott and Flt Lt (S/L?) S MacLeod no future CAS involved.
Fg Off TE Owen eventually being one of the ‘Three dads walking’ who made such a big impact highlighting teenage suicide last year.

…and the Goose Bay II(AC) Sqn midair discussed earlier did indeed involve an ex-CAS and Brian Robinson (who was an absolute legend imho. “They’re called drop tanks, not bring home tanks”)

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i witnessed a jag wheels up at Laarbruch late 70s, It was a twin seater. Also saw a victor burst into flames on the main runway at Marham, a Hurricane at Wittering and also one of our GR5 Harriers at Wittering (engine failure on take off) luckily everyone survived.
Was outside 1 Sqn when the Hurricane cartwheeled in. "Emergency State 2, Hurricane, diverting from Coningsby, engine" Almost got it in bar that crosswind gust that caused him to lose controlled flight. The string vest brigade earned their pennies that day. Amazing the pilot survived with no more than a broken ankle and the Hurricane was restored years later to rejoin the BBMF. 33 years ago. Blimey!
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In Memoriam

Please take time to have a look at: (1) 41 Retro | 41st Anniversary, Bus Crash Memorial Service – Sasbachwalden, Black Forest, Germany | Facebook

This will be the "final" memorial service for those colleagues lost in the accident, but local UK (Scottow) memorial services are expected to continue.

Never forgotten.
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In Memoriam
Please take time to have a look at: (1) 41 Retro | 41st Anniversary, Bus Crash Memorial Service – Sasbachwalden, Black Forest, Germany | Facebook
This will be the "final" memorial service for those colleagues lost in the accident, but local UK (Scottow) memorial services are expected to continue.
Never forgotten.
Those of us on II(AC) Sqn RIC at the time were shocked and saddened by the loss of our friends and colleagues on 41 Sqn RIC. RIP.
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I still remember seeing the coach arriving at Bruggen.
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In Memoriam

Please take time to have a look at: (1) 41 Retro | 41st Anniversary, Bus Crash Memorial Service – Sasbachwalden, Black Forest, Germany | Facebook

This will be the "final" memorial service for those colleagues lost in the accident, but local UK (Scottow) memorial services are expected to continue.

Never forgotten.
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