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RAF Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy Says Eurofighter Typhoon Warplane Order To Be Halved | UK News | Sky News
Looks like we may be getting some more rotary airlift after all?? Who wants 40 Typhoons then? any FJ mates fancy a transfer to rotary to make up the numbers LOL
Looks like we may be getting some more rotary airlift after all?? Who wants 40 Typhoons then? any FJ mates fancy a transfer to rotary to make up the numbers LOL
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Retiring Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy insisted that fewer of the £60m planes were needed because they are so adaptable.
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Which begs the question, if they knew they were going to be so firkin good, why did they over order, or is the fact that they are so firkin good a surprise, in which case did why did they not know what they were getting?
Or perhaps they just stuck their fingers in the wind, and said "The taxpayer can afford £XX Bn, so we'll get as many as we can for that amount."
So what will all those fast'n'pointy plank-driver mates do now?
Or perhaps they just stuck their fingers in the wind, and said "The taxpayer can afford £XX Bn, so we'll get as many as we can for that amount."
So what will all those fast'n'pointy plank-driver mates do now?
Looks like Torpy has done to the RAF what Gordon Brown has done to the UK.
Would it not be better to keep the number ordered the same, but use the 'spare' frames as christmas trees, that way, money could be saved, and if our glorious pilots bend a few more, replacements could be obtained just that little bit quicker.
Will the RAF ever see its 100th birthday?
Do air ranks outnumber aircraft?.
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Would it not be better to keep the number ordered the same, but use the 'spare' frames as christmas trees, that way, money could be saved, and if our glorious pilots bend a few more, replacements could be obtained just that little bit quicker.
Will the RAF ever see its 100th birthday?
Do air ranks outnumber aircraft?.
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What a shame that Torpy will go down in the history of the Royal Air Force for nothing other than for turning it into the Royal Air Farce and landing us with a big quantity of unwanted fighters that we don't need.
The sooner he's gone, the better. A nice bloke, top pilot, but a complete nobody as far as being CAS is concerned.
Very sad to see an (ex) top bloke being unable or unwilling to stand up and be counted at a time when the RAF is struggling on it's feet. Let's hope Sir Jock has slightly bigger balls and does what is necessary to get the RAF back where it was and to where it belongs.
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The sooner he's gone, the better. A nice bloke, top pilot, but a complete nobody as far as being CAS is concerned.
Very sad to see an (ex) top bloke being unable or unwilling to stand up and be counted at a time when the RAF is struggling on it's feet. Let's hope Sir Jock has slightly bigger balls and does what is necessary to get the RAF back where it was and to where it belongs.
Winco
Hang on....
Tranche 1 = 55 aircraft
Tranche 2 = 89 aircraft
Therefore, 144 already in service/on order.
Assume that the 24 taken from the RAF slots on the production line for the Saudis are not to be replaced. According to all informed sources [i.e. not Sky] this is not the case, with the 'missing' 24 being built at the end of the second tranche. But assume that those 24 won't be appearing in RAF colours.
That leaves 120.
So according to Sky, the government is going to be signing a contract tomorrow to order er..... a total of Zero aircraft?
The actual video clip doesn't seem to be playing on the Sky site, but I can't (at the moment) help wondering whether the whole Tranche 3 business (3A and 3B, possible sales of airframes from Tranche 1 to Oman, etc) has fallen into the 'my head hurts, don't understand' category of journalism and they've interpreted the statement wrongly.
AA - the 232 was to provide sufficient numbers to equip 7 front line squadrons (envisaged at the time as replacing 4 F3and 3 Jaguar sqns) each with an establishment of 16 airframes, plus the OCU and OEU and 1435 Flt, leaving a sufficient reserve for the usual rotation in and out of storage, etc to maintain the fatigue life for that force out to 25/30 years.
I daresay that in 30 years, as the last Typhoons are running out of FI, a new generation of Ppruners, currently watching CBeebies as I type, will be cursing the decision to cut the T3 buy...
Tranche 1 = 55 aircraft
Tranche 2 = 89 aircraft
Therefore, 144 already in service/on order.
Assume that the 24 taken from the RAF slots on the production line for the Saudis are not to be replaced. According to all informed sources [i.e. not Sky] this is not the case, with the 'missing' 24 being built at the end of the second tranche. But assume that those 24 won't be appearing in RAF colours.
That leaves 120.
So according to Sky, the government is going to be signing a contract tomorrow to order er..... a total of Zero aircraft?
The actual video clip doesn't seem to be playing on the Sky site, but I can't (at the moment) help wondering whether the whole Tranche 3 business (3A and 3B, possible sales of airframes from Tranche 1 to Oman, etc) has fallen into the 'my head hurts, don't understand' category of journalism and they've interpreted the statement wrongly.
AA - the 232 was to provide sufficient numbers to equip 7 front line squadrons (envisaged at the time as replacing 4 F3and 3 Jaguar sqns) each with an establishment of 16 airframes, plus the OCU and OEU and 1435 Flt, leaving a sufficient reserve for the usual rotation in and out of storage, etc to maintain the fatigue life for that force out to 25/30 years.
I daresay that in 30 years, as the last Typhoons are running out of FI, a new generation of Ppruners, currently watching CBeebies as I type, will be cursing the decision to cut the T3 buy...
What a shame that Torpy will go down in the history of the Royal Air Force for nothing other than for turning it into the Royal Air Farce and landing us with a big quantity of unwanted fighters that we don't need.
What has actually happened on his watch, albeit with minutes to go, is that the 232 Typhoon buy has been reduced...
Vin - I imagine that FJ's loss will be a very small gain for the SH fleet (for political reasons) and a decent uplift in the NHS budget or similar...
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Times: Britain's fighter jet fleet of Eurofighter/Typhoons cut by a third
The RAF is losing more than 70 of its planned fleet of Eurofighter/Typhoon fighter .
Today in Munich it has been announced that the RAF will buy a total of 160 instead of 232. At the contract ceremony involving the four nations of the Nato Eurofighter Tornado Management Agency, Britain signed up for the third and final tranche of Typhoons, agreeing to buy 40 more, instead of the planned 88. But 24 of these will be sold to the Saudi Arabians, leaving just 16 for the RAF.
Britain ordered 55 in the first tranche and 89 in the second. However, Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy who retires today as the Chief of the Air Staff, has made it clear that he expects the RAF to operate on the basis of a Typhoon fleet of only 120 aircraft. RAF sources explained that by the time the last of the tranche-three aircraft were coming into service between 2015 and 2020, the first batch of Typhoons - in service today - would be coming to the end of their life.Today’s announcement, however, does not safeguard the RAF from further cuts in fast jets
Next year’s strategic defence review which will go ahead whoever wins the general election, will look at Typhoon numbers as well as all other Armed Forces equipment. It is possible that there will have to be further cuts in Typhoon numbers, although any cancellation of orders would bring financial penalties and cause job losses in British industry. The Munich contract signing for tranche three of Typhoon will help to safeguard about 15,000 jobs at BAE Systems, the principal British manufacturer of the multi-role aircraft. Its main factory is at Warton in Lancashire.
If a decision is made after next year’s defence review to keep all 160 planned Typhoons, this is likely to put pressure on the other major aircraft programme - the development of the Joint Strike Fighter which is to replace Harriers and is to be bought for the two proposed 65,000-tonne aircraft carriers, the first of which is already under construction. The original plan was to buy 150 Joint Strike Fighters, but ministers and service chiefs have already indicated that the review next year will be looking closely at numbers of individual platforms and weapons, not eliminating capabilities altogether.
The numbers game will affect all three Armed Forces. There is already a suggestion that the Army might lose up to two-thirds of its fleet of 300 main battle tanks.
There could also be cuts in nuclear-powered submarines, and even the carrier programme might be affected. In an interview this week for The Times, General Sir Timothy Granville-Chapman, who has just retired as Vice-Chief of the Defence Staff, said that if it was possible to have only one carrier it should be considered as an option.
The RAF is losing more than 70 of its planned fleet of Eurofighter/Typhoon fighter .
Today in Munich it has been announced that the RAF will buy a total of 160 instead of 232. At the contract ceremony involving the four nations of the Nato Eurofighter Tornado Management Agency, Britain signed up for the third and final tranche of Typhoons, agreeing to buy 40 more, instead of the planned 88. But 24 of these will be sold to the Saudi Arabians, leaving just 16 for the RAF.
Britain ordered 55 in the first tranche and 89 in the second. However, Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy who retires today as the Chief of the Air Staff, has made it clear that he expects the RAF to operate on the basis of a Typhoon fleet of only 120 aircraft. RAF sources explained that by the time the last of the tranche-three aircraft were coming into service between 2015 and 2020, the first batch of Typhoons - in service today - would be coming to the end of their life.Today’s announcement, however, does not safeguard the RAF from further cuts in fast jets
Next year’s strategic defence review which will go ahead whoever wins the general election, will look at Typhoon numbers as well as all other Armed Forces equipment. It is possible that there will have to be further cuts in Typhoon numbers, although any cancellation of orders would bring financial penalties and cause job losses in British industry. The Munich contract signing for tranche three of Typhoon will help to safeguard about 15,000 jobs at BAE Systems, the principal British manufacturer of the multi-role aircraft. Its main factory is at Warton in Lancashire.
If a decision is made after next year’s defence review to keep all 160 planned Typhoons, this is likely to put pressure on the other major aircraft programme - the development of the Joint Strike Fighter which is to replace Harriers and is to be bought for the two proposed 65,000-tonne aircraft carriers, the first of which is already under construction. The original plan was to buy 150 Joint Strike Fighters, but ministers and service chiefs have already indicated that the review next year will be looking closely at numbers of individual platforms and weapons, not eliminating capabilities altogether.
The numbers game will affect all three Armed Forces. There is already a suggestion that the Army might lose up to two-thirds of its fleet of 300 main battle tanks.
There could also be cuts in nuclear-powered submarines, and even the carrier programme might be affected. In an interview this week for The Times, General Sir Timothy Granville-Chapman, who has just retired as Vice-Chief of the Defence Staff, said that if it was possible to have only one carrier it should be considered as an option.
Torpy was quoted as using the same 123 aircraft figure by the Daily Telegraph, whose journos made the same assumptions and similarly compared it to the figure of 232.
I made enquiries of the MoD and was told that Torpy had said no such thing, that he had never said that we required 'half the number' and that his figure of 123 was for the forward fleet, and thus marked a modest reduction from 137 to 123 aircraft.
As others have already pointed out, the UK already has more than 123 aircraft on order. In fact the number is 160 aircraft. There are 53 Tranche 1, (including the MAFT and two IPAs, and one ISPA - so 49 for the RAF), 67 Tranche 2 (91 minus the 24 Saudi diverts), with 40 more to follow in Tranche 3A.
Typically, the Times are wrong in the detail. The 24 sold to the Saudis are in Tranche 2, and are not being replaced as planned. All 40 T3A jets will go to the RAF.
And officially, T3B for 48 further aircraft has not been cancelled.
What is increasingly clear is that we will have just five squadrons.
I made enquiries of the MoD and was told that Torpy had said no such thing, that he had never said that we required 'half the number' and that his figure of 123 was for the forward fleet, and thus marked a modest reduction from 137 to 123 aircraft.
As others have already pointed out, the UK already has more than 123 aircraft on order. In fact the number is 160 aircraft. There are 53 Tranche 1, (including the MAFT and two IPAs, and one ISPA - so 49 for the RAF), 67 Tranche 2 (91 minus the 24 Saudi diverts), with 40 more to follow in Tranche 3A.
Typically, the Times are wrong in the detail. The 24 sold to the Saudis are in Tranche 2, and are not being replaced as planned. All 40 T3A jets will go to the RAF.
And officially, T3B for 48 further aircraft has not been cancelled.
What is increasingly clear is that we will have just five squadrons.
1) It isn't news. We've known that the UK was signing for 40, not 88 today for MONTHS, and that the Saudi diverts weren't being replaced at the end of T2 for weeks.
2) It wasn't too much for me.
The usual ill-informed bol.locks was, however, and the tired, short-sighted, narrow-minded, blinkered "if it isn't useful for Afghan right now we don't need it" prejudice, backed by the usual tired Grey Funnel and brown job anti-FJ nonsense is certainly discouraging for anyone with half a brain to have to trwal through.
2) It wasn't too much for me.
The usual ill-informed bol.locks was, however, and the tired, short-sighted, narrow-minded, blinkered "if it isn't useful for Afghan right now we don't need it" prejudice, backed by the usual tired Grey Funnel and brown job anti-FJ nonsense is certainly discouraging for anyone with half a brain to have to trwal through.
Suspicion breeds confidence
I agree with Jacko - not news. However in the current climate in makes perfect sense. The chopped squadrons can be equipped with F35s at a later date.
I fear that any money saved will not go to RW or AT, but into the ever growing bill of keeping "Don't know, don't care" scroungers sitting on their idle ar*es at home instead of getting out and finding work. Want some more money, get a job? Not likely just have another kid and get mopre tax credits!!
Rant over(for now until I deal with the next claim!"!!).
Doc C
Rant over(for now until I deal with the next claim!"!!).
Doc C