Unmanned Drones to be banned?
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And I see that just today (according to Reuters) a drone has knocked off 14 militants on the Pakistan border.
If they were militants, then great stuff and that's a few scumbags out of the way.
If they were civvies, you can't blame the drone.
If they were militants, then great stuff and that's a few scumbags out of the way.
If they were civvies, you can't blame the drone.
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Originally Posted by LowObservable
Wader2 - Curiosity killed the cat - what do you mean by "confrontation"? Is that some specific event/era?
Quick & dirty answer:
Indonesia?Malaysia confrontation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Bayonets, trench knives, entrenching tool blades and sharp stones are inherently cruel, uncilivized and unquestionably legal in combat.
How far down the scale of disarmament we chose to let ourselves be taken obviously depends on how long we chose to let political entities emasculate us, how many unnecessary casualties we chose to take, and how long our enemies give us the option.
Having suffered firsthand the results of our politician commanders dithering around about words like 'proportionality' I say the Commander has a moral responsibility to use whatever weapons he has to accomplish the misson and save allied lives.
If you don't want to be a civilian casualty these days don't let the targets set up in your village. If they do, leave. The military aren't trick shooters and if you get your house blown away by the hit that takes out your neighboring terrorist way-station, well doom on you.
How far down the scale of disarmament we chose to let ourselves be taken obviously depends on how long we chose to let political entities emasculate us, how many unnecessary casualties we chose to take, and how long our enemies give us the option.
Having suffered firsthand the results of our politician commanders dithering around about words like 'proportionality' I say the Commander has a moral responsibility to use whatever weapons he has to accomplish the misson and save allied lives.
If you don't want to be a civilian casualty these days don't let the targets set up in your village. If they do, leave. The military aren't trick shooters and if you get your house blown away by the hit that takes out your neighboring terrorist way-station, well doom on you.
Hey Guys and Gals,
On an everyday basis, judges are so far removed from reality that Law Lords must be beyond the pale.
Tell 'im to wind his neck in and go back to sleep and leave the people in the real world to know what's best.
Doc C
On an everyday basis, judges are so far removed from reality that Law Lords must be beyond the pale.
Tell 'im to wind his neck in and go back to sleep and leave the people in the real world to know what's best.
Doc C
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Many folks seem to enjoy making similar statements to yours about judges, but you are all wrong. Many also talk of a 'real world' whatever that may be. I feel confident that Queen Elizabeth's world is just as real to her, as a beggar man in New Delhi to him. Oddly none of these lives would be remotely similar to yours!
Now back to judges (apology for thread drift), I have no idea just how much you are aware of wrong doings or mis justice in society, but I am aware that ALL a judge sees in his 'day to day working life' are scumbags, murderers, child molesters and bank robbers etc, day after day. So as a Judge once pointed out to me, they are in fact much more aware of the bad side of life than almost anyone else.
Of course you could argue that because they see the very worst members of our society daily, then they do not see the 'reality' you might do, but then for a completely different reason than most would think.
Apologies for thread drift here. One of the main problems with a subject like this IMHO is lack of public knowledge about any UK military ops or gear, which allows stories like this one to be blown out of all proportion. This is something I fear our government has no intention of doing anything about
Now back to judges (apology for thread drift), I have no idea just how much you are aware of wrong doings or mis justice in society, but I am aware that ALL a judge sees in his 'day to day working life' are scumbags, murderers, child molesters and bank robbers etc, day after day. So as a Judge once pointed out to me, they are in fact much more aware of the bad side of life than almost anyone else.
Of course you could argue that because they see the very worst members of our society daily, then they do not see the 'reality' you might do, but then for a completely different reason than most would think.
Apologies for thread drift here. One of the main problems with a subject like this IMHO is lack of public knowledge about any UK military ops or gear, which allows stories like this one to be blown out of all proportion. This is something I fear our government has no intention of doing anything about
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What's Wrong with This?
Will someone tell me why this is 'wrong'
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BBC NEWS | South Asia | Drones 'kill dozens' in Pakistan
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BBC NEWS | South Asia | Drones 'kill dozens' in Pakistan
BArnstormer,
I wasn't referring to the scumbags etc.
My reference was based on hearing (albeit filtered through the media) of a judge awarding a teenager convicted of rape a two week Afican Safari holiday as his punishment and the unfortunate victim a few quid compensation. Many years ago but the one that sticks out.
There are too many reports of "off the wall" judgements by loonies who can't be removed to make me believe anything else, until proven otherwise. There are many sound judgements on a daily basis, I am sure, but we din't get to hear about, this one just looked to me like another out of touch, old ivory tower dweller spouting about something of which he knows little (again).
Doc C
I wasn't referring to the scumbags etc.
My reference was based on hearing (albeit filtered through the media) of a judge awarding a teenager convicted of rape a two week Afican Safari holiday as his punishment and the unfortunate victim a few quid compensation. Many years ago but the one that sticks out.
There are too many reports of "off the wall" judgements by loonies who can't be removed to make me believe anything else, until proven otherwise. There are many sound judgements on a daily basis, I am sure, but we din't get to hear about, this one just looked to me like another out of touch, old ivory tower dweller spouting about something of which he knows little (again).
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Today the Taliban have heroically blown up 25 people -- including 15 children -- outside a school in Mohammad Agha, Afghanistan.
While this sort of thing goes on, we should use drones. Period. End of. Over and out.
While this sort of thing goes on, we should use drones. Period. End of. Over and out.
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Curiosity killed the cat - what do you mean by "confrontation"? Is that some specific event/era?
A bit like Vietnam, except for the outcome.
Some of the tactics employed were a bit naughty, such as allowing the native population to resume head-taking for example.
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Some of the soldiers head hunted too. I knew of one (obviously years later), who did it for the beer money he got for the 'head and hands' of CT's.
Luckily for me, he was in a different Sqn to me, and thus I bumped into him rarely. I will admit to finding him a very outspoken, and a VERY scary man to be near. My biggest memory of him was one night on guard. He was guard commander, and when he entered the guard house, not only did I stand up, but a passing Lt stood up too (so at least it was not just me scared of him).
There is a good book which covers some issues from the confrontation (from memory) called 'jungle warfare' by J P Cross.
Sorry for the lecture, but I found the whole subject of the confrontation tactics fascinating.
Luckily for me, he was in a different Sqn to me, and thus I bumped into him rarely. I will admit to finding him a very outspoken, and a VERY scary man to be near. My biggest memory of him was one night on guard. He was guard commander, and when he entered the guard house, not only did I stand up, but a passing Lt stood up too (so at least it was not just me scared of him).
There is a good book which covers some issues from the confrontation (from memory) called 'jungle warfare' by J P Cross.
Sorry for the lecture, but I found the whole subject of the confrontation tactics fascinating.
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Drones? Wasn't Bertie Wooster a member, eh, what?
Can we, at least, get the lingo right? The thing that flies around is an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) or Uninhabited if you're pc.
Command and Control is an Unmanned Aerial System (UAS).
Launch and recovery can be very sepaerate from the 'pilot' and the 'bombardier'.
Like Garlic Bread it's the future
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Can we, at least, get the lingo right? The thing that flies around is an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) or Uninhabited if you're pc.
Command and Control is an Unmanned Aerial System (UAS).
Launch and recovery can be very sepaerate from the 'pilot' and the 'bombardier'.
Like Garlic Bread it's the future
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Unfortunately there are some in the Press that think such air vehicles exist already. A lot of modern UAVs have autonomy - ie can do automated tasks (emergency mission, systems redundancy switching, etc), but I an unaware of ANY UAS that looks and kills without someone in the loop.
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