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Old 26th Jun 2009, 03:58
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Air-Attack.com News :: Joint UAS mission sets mark: First transatlantic flight for RQ-4A Global Hawk

Beyond LOS in International airspace has happened more than once already. As per the link.

It just requires knowledge of the system doing the flight and having the correct safety precautions built in. ie lost link logic/autolands etc.

Beagle - Please dont say you are comparing some 60s remote control plane to modern UAS aircraft?!

The technology is rapidly advancing but until organisations like the CAA catch up I doubt you will see them flying in UK airspace soon.
Although it is bad news for putting us out of jobs!
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Fox 4 - The RQ-4 flew above controlled airspace, something not all future UAVs will be designed to do (for good reason). Crossing the Atlantic is one thing (a great achievement) but doesn't really inform the debate on how a UAS might get its associated platform from here, to theatre, via any intervening airspace.
I can't get excited about the drone/UAV argument except to say that I feel the terms UAV and UAS are more useful in a detailed discussion, given that a UAV is a component of a UAS and that the term drone doesn't, in my opinion, facilitate the autonomy discussion.
I'm familiar with the way in which Reaper operates in the US and I'm not aware of it flying in un-segregated airspace other than under 'special provision'.
Beags proposal to operate UAVs from remote sites such as ASI doesn't allow for how we'd train with them and the future breed of UAS and UCAVs in particular will come with a significant training burden.

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Putting them on a ship/C17 and freighting them there is fraught with technological and logistical challenges.
What's so challenging about renting a truck and crane?
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Gainesy, some of the latest drones are pretty big beasts - you don't just undo a couple of rubber bands to take the wings off (like my old Veron Robot R/C model....). Breaking them down for transport and erecting them at the other end would be fairly time consuming - and would require a fair bit of post-assembly testing.

RAF Mount Pleasant would seem to be a good place to base the training for future drone operators - plenty of varied terrain around and an ideal opportunity to work up with the Wesident Wedgiment under realistic exercise conditions.
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That could be interesting. What are the wind limitations on these machines?
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The solution is Cyprus - always has been always will be!
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 19:21
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Lost link mode is a little more than...

In the event of loss of signal, everything to neutral and throttle to idle - hopefully the model had sufficient natural stability to glide to a soft landing.
It is pre-programmed to fly a pre-set series of manoeuvres - for example, the UAV loses link with the rest of the system, it then flies to a pre-determined orbit area and flies there until it either restores the link or it starts to run low on gas and then goes back to base and enters the hold for the line-of-sight team to gather it on a different frequency/antenna set up. Obviously, the orbit area and hold has to be selected carefully and notified to other air users - it would also be prudent to ensure that if the UAV runs out of gas it will come down with the lowest chance of a human casualty. Of course, you could always send up QRA for a bit of target practice! (unless you've mothballed them, that is ).

So it's a bit more than centralise and throttle back, I'm afraid.

What are the wind limitations on these machines?
The auto take off and land on some types is pitifully low (around 6kts on some) but human-in-the-loop fying is around 15kts akin to your PA28 or C152. It certainly doesn't help when BAeS built one of their's based upon a tail-dragging motorglider (HERTI is based upon a J&AS motorglider) - x-winds, tailwheels, motorgliders, hard runways and UAVs are not your best choices of combination!

Cyprus - too many political sensitivities these days for it to be an option.

MPA - Runways not into prevailing winds (thanks to the REs!), weather factor not great and then it isn't exactly replicating Afghanistan is it? Which is why CREECH/HOLLOMAN is so good for MQ-9 Reaper.

Now the UK Military have just invested £14m in Stanford Trg Area (STANTA) to build an Afghan Village - opening up Honington to fixed wing flying again???

Here's a piccy of Lashkar Gah in Norfolk!!

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