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XH558 meets XM655 at Wellesbourne today

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Old 26th Jun 2009, 07:27
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And here we go again

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Like I said, if they give bang for the buck, then great. As for BBMF, they are not the only memorial to the historical events that they represent - but granted they are the only flying example. Honest question now, are their activities sustainable ? I would have thought that lack of engine spares would ground them one day.

As for the C130 case, you bet your ass if the FSTA PFI works out, then why not outsource the Tac AT activities too. For AirTanker read AirTrucker .

Final point - and credit where due, the ac pictured in this thread looks in better condition now than ever ( if those engine exausts are anything to go by).
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BBMF: A flying memorial to those who have fallen - and not the only memorial to remember them ( and when did a Dakota feature in the battle ? ).
Perhaps a rename to Memorial Flight then... but then it wouldn't have the same draw for air shows etc, the merchandise revenues would go through the floor, the donations would be lower, there would be less volunteers etc etc etc.... hence ending up costing more. Great! NOT.

Recently the Dakota did the VE day fly past at Runnymede (Air forces memorial) commemorating the end of WWII. (The Lancaster was tech in Holland).

If you can the BBMF etc, how appropriate would it been for this to be been done by the latest Plastic/carbon Fibre white elephant in years to come? Not very in my view.

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At which point in time do we stop remembering the Battle of Britain by utilising the BBMF?

How about a Falklands Memorial Flight? Sea Harrier, Harrier GR, C130K MK1 and a Nimrod MR2?

All knocking about somewhere hopefully

Just thinking of something more relevant for todays airshow generation.
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 09:59
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How about a Falklands Memorial Flight? Sea Harrier, Harrier GR, C130K MK1 and a Nimrod MR2?
The cost to operate such aircraft would be way out of proportion to the BBMF's existing fleet.
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How about a Falklands Memorial Flight? Sea Harrier, Harrier GR, C130K MK1 and a Nimrod MR2?
We could call it "the Royal Air Force".
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 11:58
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Ah . . . you do have a fair point - I concede on that one.

It just gets SOoo tedious how quickly these threads get into a slanging match.

All I had been trying to do is read about and look at these outstanding piccies.

Good luck to the Vulcan projects - I'm sure I can still 'feel' the last fly-by I experienced (from the ground - never flew in the beastie myself, closest was Canberras).
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 13:59
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Originally Posted by Dengue_Dude
Good luck to the Vulcan projects - I'm sure I can still 'feel' the last fly-by I experienced (from the ground - never flew in the beastie myself, closest was Canberras).
It doesn't need to be a fly-by. Just stand anywhere near a moderate power ground run, and it will make your teeth rattle.

That's one of the reasons we do it, and it's why a static display just ain't as good.

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Old 27th Jun 2009, 21:38
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Hi,

Thanks for posting the photos of the delivery.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the fact that XM655 has been used by TVOC for crew training.

As for take off judging by the way the nose comes up on a fast taxy I wouldn't think that it would be much more run before it left the ground.

I believe the drogue chute is safely stored as well.

Thanks to all the guys who keep it running!
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Old 27th Jun 2009, 21:56
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Originally Posted by c130jbloke
Honest question now, are their activities sustainable ? I would have thought that lack of engine spares would ground them one day.
Sustainable for quite a while yet.

Engine spares won't be the issue to eventual grounding one day, most likely would be the lack of AVGAS to run them on.
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AVGAS ?

Surely not, you'll be filling the engines with OMD370 next !!!
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Hi again,

It would be interesting to hear Joe L'Estrange's memories of that last flight and landing at Wellesbourne.
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It was hoped that Uncle Joe would be able to make the journey, however, he wasn't able to do so.

Great fun flying with Joe - he had an independence of attitude which was most refreshing. He also had an exceptional pair of hands whether flying a Vulcan or a Chipmunk.

He also considered Air Traffickers to be rather more of a hindrance to flying than an assistance. "Good VFR, continuing.....", he'd say when some ATCO tried to intervene....

A wonderful old rogue even 30 years ago!
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Old 29th Jun 2009, 22:39
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Uncle Joe

I don't think Joe's attitude to Air Traffickers extended to absolutely all of them. I well remember on one of my first Vulcan sorties in 1968, incidentally in 558, some splendid banter between our QFI, Joe, and a Finningley Air Trafficker, Joe's wife.
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Was that Roy Jacobson talking to the crew in one of ZH875's photos? Whatever happened to him?

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