Fixed wing flying.

[sailor]

Before Brown goes he should be preceded by tw@t Torpy!
What a total load of bull that guy spouts.
100 years of Fleet Air Arm flying must have got right up his nose I fear!
FLY NAVY!

[Pontius Navigator]

He is, Torpy goes next month.

PS, why is he wearing a desert flying suit?

In fact why is he wearing a flying suit?





(OK coveralls)

[Hot Charlie]

100 years of Fleet Air Arm flying must have got right up his nose I fear!

Couldn't have done, seeing as the FAA didn't come into existence until the mid 1930s. A few years to go until that centenary.


We know what you meant though.

[c130jbloke]

So CAS stuck his neck out with days to do......

That said, he is correct in his assessment: there is going to have to be some pain taken by all sides as a result of the economy shambles. And on that point, why is he using 100 quid on a desert flying suit

So, FWIW, I would suggest we ditch Tornado + Puma, go with a JSF/Typhoon mix, scale down the size of the carriers (keeps the sailors happy) and offload the whole of SH to the Army. As for the Army, 16 AAB can lose parts of its Airborne element - that would only be a paper exercise anyway.

I know you will upset people, but (to the RAF at least) would make some savings without hitting capability too much. I appreciate that Tornado will be (is ?) involved in AFG, so that one would require some thought but as the great man said, nothing is sacred and we are all going to have to take some pain.

[Widger]

There are a few highly regarded posters on this network that have defended this man and stated that he has no ambition to kill off Naval Aviation. His comments in the Torygraph today expose his true character and the reality of his scheme. These are disgraceful comments especially when the Fleet Air Arm has been so evident in both Iraq and Afghanistan alongside their surface fleet cousins.

Glen Torpy started the fight, he lost the recent battle and this is now the parting shot of an @@@@ that will not be missed by the other two services or the non-fast jet members of his own service. He matches every stereotype of the narrow minded, self centered, stick monkey and has done the RAF a great dis-service in trying to execute his "if it flies it is ours" policy. i suppose that he thought the Army Air Corps was too hard a nut to crack.

Good riddance and now lets try and mend the wounds he has opened up, re-build a long standing and highly beneficial relationship and fight the real foe, HM treasury!

[mystic_meg]

Here's the link: RAF chief predicts controversial takeover of Royal Naval air power - Telegraph

A couple of quotes to see the real quality of this article:

"We have got to kill some scared cows to make ourselves more efficient".

The Royal Navy is hoping its role will be significantly expanded when two new large aircraft carriers are built, allowing it to fly supersonic F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft from the new vessels' desks.

(my bold)

British journalism at its very best... God help us

[Like This - Do That]

A couple of quotes to see the real quality of this article:

Quote:
"We have got to kill some scared cows to make ourselves more efficient".

Quote:
The Royal Navy is hoping its role will be significantly expanded when two new large aircraft carriers are built, allowing it to fly supersonic F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft from the new vessels' desks.

Maybe that's what the CAS said .....

Oh! My coat! .... Thank you

[minigundiplomat]

offload the whole of SH to the Army

Where are you going to get 50 odd CH47 crews when the present ones PVR? Who are going to engineer the aircraft when the Engineers, who we cling onto by our fingernails presently, all poke off to fix trains or do something else?

16 AAB can lose parts of its Airborne element - that would only be a paper exercise anyway

Care to quote that at Catterick?

would make some savings without hitting capability too much

I point you to the first quote. If you think transferring SH to the Army whilst a third of the fleet are deployed on ops won't hit capability too much, crack on.

Nice to see the Planky fleet with their finger on the pulse, offering well thought out solutions in these difficult times. Think of the money we could save if we used our personnel effectively instead of them checking in 12 hours in advance only to find the aircraft isnt coming and they have no kit!

[c130jbloke]

Where are you going to get 50 odd CH47 crews when the present ones PVR? Who are going to engineer the aircraft when the Engineers, who we cling onto by our fingernails presently, all poke off to fix trains or do something else?

Err, there's not a lot of work on the outisde right now.....

Care to quote that at Catterick?

I did so at LYN in 2006 - got a frosty responce from the Army

I point you to the first quote. If you think transferring SH to the Army whilst a third of the fleet are deployed on ops won't hit capability too much, crack on.

It wont, if it was managed correctly.

Nice to see the Planky fleet with their finger on the pulse, offering well thought out solutions in these difficult times. Think of the money we could save if we used our personnel effectively instead of them checking in 12 hours in advance only to find the aircraft isnt coming and they have no kit!

Get real

The movement of one department into another happens all the time in the real world ( where you are going in 14 months ?) if there is a business case to support it and I am not just talking cash either.

As stated earlier by CAS, there is pain for all on the horizon, so why not take the opportunity to offload a non core element to another service which may be better suited to accept it.

And before you go off on one, how many other Air Forces around the world have this joint RAF/AAC helo set up ? So sort that out and you could probably take a chunk out of JHC while you are at it

No matter what you say about SH, it's just another cow

moo moo

[Torque Tonight]

No matter what you say about SH, it's just another cow

moo moo

It may be bovine but in this case its a bull with nuts like a pair of spacehoppers swinging between its legs. SH has probably been the most important single element of air power in both our recent eastern jaunts. Have a little think about that next time you're propping up the pool bar at the Bahrain Yacht Club.

[BN Boy]

Hey Everybody,

I'm getting feed through on the ol' wireless that, 'C130JBloke sexually molests juvenile, retarded donkeys'.

Is this true?

I know you can't trust the media but this story sounds plausible...

[c130jbloke]

It may be bovine but in this case its a bull with nuts like a pair of spacehoppers swinging between its legs. SH has probably been the most important single element of air power in both our recent eastern jaunts.

I accept your point about improtance, (debateable about primacy though) but does the average tom care as to whether it has ARMY or that STUPID logo on the side of the cab ?

Pop away, but the baseline is the music is going to stop soon and we are way short on seats - so why not reconfigure a force structure that is out of kilter when compared with similar nations armed forces ?

[c130jbloke]

I'm getting feed through on the ol' wireless that, 'C130JBloke sexually molests juvenile, retarded donkeys'.

Feeling left out are we ?

Grow up little boy

[Torque Tonight]

the music is going to stop soon and we are way short on seats

Perhaps HMG should be buying a few more seats if they want to throw such epic parties. The govt start turning the screws and the infighting begins. They must be laughing in Westminster (in between the weeping and gnashing of teeth).

[Pontius Navigator]

The desks quote, as I read it, was part of the Torygraph article and not part of the interview.

Also in the printed article it spells sacred and the printed article omits the from its desks completely.

The problem is therefore a Torygraph electro-journo charlie uniform.

[airborne_artist]

Torpy needs to learn some professionalism, I think. His public behaviour, sounding off about inter-service issues, does the Services no good at all.

Imagine if the MD of a division of Megacorp plc was doing this to another division of Megacorp - the Chairman would have his nuts on a spike in seconds.

The best thing Torpy can do is keep this internal - by all means argue his case, but using the press to make his point is juvenile.

[Pheasant]

Word is that the idiot Torpy is going to relieve John Day at BAe - he certainly knows how to win friends and influence people - all MoD think he is a Tw*t as do the politicians.....and so should BAe.

[soddim]

About the only valid point made was that some sacred cows need culling.

With yet another imminent round of 'economies' in funding it should be obvious that drastic changes are essential and I am sure that within MOD there are sensible proposals for these.

However, inter-service rivalry has nothing to offer in this process and if it continues I would not be surprised to see the necessary changes determined by an external unbiased body - and they would probably screw it up with their lack of intimate knowledge.

Time to stop the bickering.

[davejb]

I think the RSPCA should get involved, it's bad enough to scare cows, but...

On a more sensible note -

He added: "There is no other aircraft better than the Typhoon except for a US F22 Raptor and an F22 is significantly more expensive. Typhoon is truly multi-role, it is a world class aeroplane. It is absolute rubbish to call it a cold war relic and that just demonstrates that people do not understand what the aircraft does."

- is to mistake the abilities of the aircraft itself with the country's need for such an aircraft. It may be a brilliant a/c for all I know, but will security of the UK (the MAIN role of defence) require such a weapon?

Until we can afford to fight the wars we have, I can't help wondering why so many are intent on preparing for wars we might never see. As for the carriers - sheesh, what a waste of cash!

IF we had the cash, or even looked like we might have it sometime before hell freezes over, I'd love to see a sorts of shiny new toys. But we can't afford shiny stuff any more, and that's that.

(Discuss)

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

When we had chaps in the 'Stan up to their bums in sand in the 1920s, I wonder if other chaps were saying the same sort of thing. Oh, just a minute, I believe there were. Naturally, designing a machine, building it and testing was much faster in those days; wasn't it?

Is Torpy that different to our, brown, friendly neighbourhood back-stabber?