Indonesian Airforce C-130 crash
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Sad. At least 109 on board. A witness said he saw a wing fall off, but that was after he saw the plane on the ground. Not sure if that was the other wing or the news reporter got it wrong.
Several blasts?
"I heard at least two big explosions and saw flashes of fire inside the plane," said Lamidi, a 41-year-old peasant who was working in a nearby rice field and ran for cover. "The wing snapped off and fell to the ground."
"Before the plane crashed, I heard several blasts and then it started wobbling from left to right," 2nd Pvt. Saputra said from his bed at the air force hospital.
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SUMMARY:
We are adopting a new airworthiness directive (AD) for all Lockheed Model 382,
382B, 382E, 382F, and 382G series airplanes. This AD requires an inspection to identify discrepant
barrel nuts in the upper wing joint, engine truss, and rear beam pylon support; and replacement of any
barrel nuts in the upper wing joint, engine truss, and rear beam pylon support; and replacement of any
discrepant barrel nut with a new barrel nut, if necessary. This AD results from a report of severe
cracking of multiple barrel nuts in the wing station (WS) 220 upper wing joint found during
scheduled maintenance. We are issuing this AD to prevent cracking of the barrel nuts in the upper
wing joint, engine truss, and rear beam pylon support, which could result in reduced structural
integrity of the affected part and consequent detachment of the wing or engine from the airplane.
DATES:
cracking of multiple barrel nuts in the wing station (WS) 220 upper wing joint found during
scheduled maintenance. We are issuing this AD to prevent cracking of the barrel nuts in the upper
wing joint, engine truss, and rear beam pylon support, which could result in reduced structural
integrity of the affected part and consequent detachment of the wing or engine from the airplane.
DATES:
This AD is effective June 4, 2009.
The Director of the Federal Register approved the incorporation by reference of a certain
publication listed in the AD as of June 4, 2009.
publication listed in the AD as of June 4, 2009.
We must receive comments on this AD by July 20, 2009.
This was just released by the FAA today and arrived in my email 30 mins ago ( coincidence or this accident accelerated the release ? )
From the BBC link in the post above
Another local said nuts and bolts also fell from the sky.
One survivor said it felt like the plane's engines just stopped and then the aircraft began to break apart in mid-air
One survivor said it felt like the plane's engines just stopped and then the aircraft began to break apart in mid-air
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Another reason
Well, perhaps it was landing, i wasnt really 100%, its just, that i could be one reason.....BUT!!! what they could have done wrong as well, i am not saying that they did, but maybe the Pilots calculated the wrong Gross weight of the Aircraft, Since the plane was an overload situation, the CDU could have given them a warning.
For some reason, they changed it to a lighter Gross weight, then after the aircraft calculates and sets the speed.
Look at this.
Since they could have taken off manually, they set the aircraft on ILS landing,
and before the pilotes entred a lighter gross weight then they should had.
1) what the should have calculated. Weight : 2194.4 Kg sets the speed of 150knots for landing (!) Obs!! Overload!!
2) what they could have done wrong. Set weight: 1921.4 Kg, sets speed of 140 knots, but the Hercules has an weight of 2194,4 which will make the plane descent more the expected, and note that the engines are late responded. Takes a while to get power to 100%
Easy - Erik.G
For some reason, they changed it to a lighter Gross weight, then after the aircraft calculates and sets the speed.
Look at this.
Since they could have taken off manually, they set the aircraft on ILS landing,
and before the pilotes entred a lighter gross weight then they should had.
1) what the should have calculated. Weight : 2194.4 Kg sets the speed of 150knots for landing (!) Obs!! Overload!!
2) what they could have done wrong. Set weight: 1921.4 Kg, sets speed of 140 knots, but the Hercules has an weight of 2194,4 which will make the plane descent more the expected, and note that the engines are late responded. Takes a while to get power to 100%
Easy - Erik.G
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Well, perhaps it was landing, i wasnt really 100%, its just, that i could be one reason.....BUT!!! what they could have done wrong as well, i am not saying that they did, but maybe the Pilots calculated the wrong Gross weight of the Aircraft, Since the plane was an overload situation, the CDU could have given them a warning.
For some reason, they changed it to a lighter Gross weight, then after the aircraft calculates and sets the speed.
Look at this.
Since they could have taken off manually, they set the aircraft on ILS landing,
and before the pilotes entred a lighter gross weight then they should had.
1) what the should have calculated. Weight : 2194.4 Kg sets the speed of 150knots for landing (!) Obs!! Overload!!
2) what they could have done wrong. Set weight: 1921.4 Kg, sets speed of 140 knots, but the Hercules has an weight of 2194,4 which will make the plane descent more the expected, and note that the engines are late responded. Takes a while to get power to 100%
Easy - Erik.G
WTF are you talking about??? Quit talking out your ass and let the experts deal with the safety investigation. Do you even know what a Herk looks like?
For some reason, they changed it to a lighter Gross weight, then after the aircraft calculates and sets the speed.
Look at this.
Since they could have taken off manually, they set the aircraft on ILS landing,
and before the pilotes entred a lighter gross weight then they should had.
1) what the should have calculated. Weight : 2194.4 Kg sets the speed of 150knots for landing (!) Obs!! Overload!!
2) what they could have done wrong. Set weight: 1921.4 Kg, sets speed of 140 knots, but the Hercules has an weight of 2194,4 which will make the plane descent more the expected, and note that the engines are late responded. Takes a while to get power to 100%
Easy - Erik.G
WTF are you talking about??? Quit talking out your ass and let the experts deal with the safety investigation. Do you even know what a Herk looks like?
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Hmm,
Who the hell stook a pole up your ass, this is what i agood friend of mine told, who is a pilot told us, he is the one that you should blame if you get pms! And i thought that it could have been a good reason, So Shut the F
k up and go slove your problem! with him, not me!
Out!
k up and go slove your problem! with him, not me!Out!
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this has nothing to do about them, i am just sad that all i comment and state turn out to be offensive to others, and keep on getting **** for it. If you dont angree, just ignore, i dont want your opinion!
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You are getting '****' because you are commenting on a subject you have little or no comprehension of. You would be better off just reading and learning and not making asinine comments
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You are making a fool of yourself!
Moderators-Please can we put this person into the cooler for a week or two?
Arend III.
Moderators-Please can we put this person into the cooler for a week or two?
Arend III.
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Flaps
50%-approximately 15 degrees.
Yes-also saw the feathered prop-question is-when was it feathered and was it the only one?
Arend III.
Yes-also saw the feathered prop-question is-when was it feathered and was it the only one?
Arend III.
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Flaps
50%-approximately 15 degrees
50%-approximately 15 degrees
Why I ask is I read once that flap settings was one of the factors in the C-130A fire bomber accident , apparently the wing structure has a much lower G limit with the flaps deployed and at high weights and rolling in pitching during the dropping of the fire retardent pushed it beyond limits.